Charles Cross

[The Rookie Detective]

In this photo of Deeming, taken in the mid 1880s, it looks like he is wearing an identical suit, including the medal/badge. Someone suggested earlier that it may be a badge for the Serial Killers Club?

I thought that was Bury and not Deeming.

I am sure I have seen this photo (or something similar) featuring William Bury and his wife.

I may be wrong but is someone able to confirm I am going bonkers and that there is no such photo of Bury, and that I have mixed it all up in my head?

haha!

[rjpalmer]

I thought that was Bury and not Deeming.

I am sure I have seen this photo (or something similar) featuring William Bury and his wife.

I may be wrong but is someone able to confirm I am going bonkers and that there is no such photo of Bury, and that I have mixed it all up in my head?

haha!

It's from the State Library in Melbourne and shows Deeming and his wife Marie James, c. 1880s

[Herlock Sholmes]

The problem is that if it’s correct that we are looking at a backyard behind Cross with a fence and if that’s a door on the left instead of the window certain ‘enthusiasts’ will be claiming it’s Cross re-visiting Hanbury Street and standing outside the rear of Cadosch’s house.

[The Rookie Detective]

It's from the State Library in Melbourne and shows Deeming and his wife Marie James, c. 1880s

Thank you for clarifying that for me, I knew I was going bonkers!

haha!

[Geddy2112]

I think you're onto something; I think I can see a post on either side of the gate, and latticework on the right-hand side of the photograph, peeking between the leaves.

I'm awaiting the next HoL video proclaiming growing runner beans or ivy proves you are a serial killer...

[rjpalmer]

I'm awaiting the next HoL video proclaiming growing runner beans or ivy proves you are a serial killer...

I see it is already being suggested that there is a coded message of Jack and the beanstalk.

I'm not immediately seeing a map with house numbering, but the 1911 census goes in this order

58 Leatherdale
56 Leatherdale
*24 Carlton Road (Lechmere)
26 Carlton Road (two households)
28 Carlton Road, etc.

What is presumably across the corner is

1 Leatherdale
22 Carlton Road

Ed might have more information, but from this it looks like he's spot on with No. 24 being on the SW corner. This was a grocer's shop in 1901.

Mildly interesting is that number 22 Carlton is Edward Elliott listed as a railway carman and he'd been living in the 'hood for decades, listed as a carman. Maybe a friend of Lechmere's and there is no nefarious reason for his "white flight" to Mile-End other than he had a friend there who recommended a house for rent in Doveton Street. Speculation, of course.

Anyhow, unless someone has better information, No. 56 appears to be the house to the west of him, he's wrapped around the corner, and No. 26 is his immediate neighbor to the south.

I'm getting some ribbing (no pun) for suggesting Lechmere suffered a mild deformity, but I'm not alone in thinking his ribcage is not quite normal in appearance. Perhaps I'm seeing things. But his weak shoulders don't suggest Schwartz's broad-shouldered man, and his upper thigh looks bandied and slender, accentuated by the effeminate way he is crossing his legs. Not that 'Jack' needed to be a giant killer.

[Geddy2112]

...accentuated by the effeminate way he is crossing his legs. Not that 'Jack' needed to be a giant killer.

It is rather a camp stance to say the least.

[Lewis C]

I see it is already being suggested that there is a coded message of Jack and the beanstalk.

I'm not immediately seeing a map with house numbering, but the 1911 census goes in this order

58 Leatherdale
56 Leatherdale
*24 Carlton Road (Lechmere)
26 Carlton Road (two households)
28 Carlton Road, etc.

What is presumably across the corner is

1 Leatherdale
22 Carlton Road

Ed might have more information, but from this it looks like he's spot on with No. 24 being on the SW corner. This was a grocer's shop in 1901.

Mildly interesting is that number 22 Carlton is Edward Elliott listed as a railway carman and he'd been living in the 'hood for decades, listed as a carman. Maybe a friend of Lechmere's and there is no nefarious reason for his "white flight" to Mile-End other than he had a friend there who recommended a house for rent in Doveton Street. Speculation, of course.

Anyhow, unless someone has better information, No. 56 appears to be the house to the west of him, he's wrapped around the corner, and No. 26 is his immediate neighbor to the south.

I'm getting some ribbing (no pun) for suggesting Lechmere suffered a mild deformity, but I'm not alone in thinking his ribcage is not quite normal in appearance. Perhaps I'm seeing things. But his weak shoulders don't suggest Schwartz's broad-shouldered man, and his upper thigh looks bandied and slender, accentuated by the effeminate way he is crossing his legs. Not that 'Jack' needed to be a giant killer.

Hi RJ,

I agree that it looks like there's an abnormal bulge in the middle of his chest. However, I don't think that anything about his body's condition when he was an old man tells us anything about what it would have looked like when he was much younger.

[rjpalmer]

Hi RJ,

I agree that it looks like there's an abnormal bulge in the middle of his chest. However, I don't think that anything about his body's condition when he was an old man tells us anything about what it would have looked like when he was much younger.

I can't quite agree, Lewis.

I'm merely speculating about what he looks like, and am not married to the idea, but true pectus carinatum is not an acquired deformity; it is genetic. It usually becomes noticeable in puberty or childhood. As the Royal Hospital in Melbourne writes, "there is overgrowth of the cartilage between the ribs and the sternum (breastbone), causing the middle of the chest to stick out."

Severe cases require surgery, but most people either live with it or wear a corrective brace on their chest.

Or course, I can't prove it, nor will we ever know unless Ed gets to work with pick and shovel. Nothing wrong with a bit of 'Burke and Hare' research after sundown!