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"Now Fido was far too cute to say for sure that Aaron and 'Kosminski' were, 'beyond doubt' the same man."
He wasn't just being cautious. He categorically stated that they weren't the same man, and instead favoured "David Cohen" a 'hair-raisingly violent' lunatic who died in 1889, and whom Fido suspected was one and the same man as Nathan Kaminsky.
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Originally posted by Robert View Post"Now Fido was far too cute to say for sure that Aaron and 'Kosminski' were, 'beyond doubt' the same man."
He wasn't just being cautious. He categorically stated that they weren't the same man, and instead favoured "David Cohen" a 'hair-raisingly violent' lunatic who died in 1889, and whom Fido suspected was one and the same man as Nathan Kaminsky.
Yours Jeff
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Originally posted by Robert View Post"Now Fido was far too cute to say for sure that Aaron and 'Kosminski' were, 'beyond doubt' the same man."
He wasn't just being cautious. He categorically stated that they weren't the same man, and instead favoured "David Cohen" a 'hair-raisingly violent' lunatic who died in 1889, and whom Fido suspected was one and the same man as Nathan Kaminsky.
Those who run the crime museum at Scotland Yard have also been guilty of misleading the public by continually telling people Aaron Kosminski was a prime police suspect.
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Originally posted by lynn cates View Post"Now Fido was far too cute to say for sure that Aaron and 'Kosminski' were, 'beyond doubt' the same man.
Would that Edwards had his wisdom, and would that so many Ripper researchers had it too."
Goes for me too.
It was not a common surname in the UK at that time - only 5 adult male deaths registered in England and Wales before 1925. Despite a lot of searching, no one has found any record of another man named Kozminski (or variant) being admitted to any lunatic asylum in this country.
I think if there was ever an appropriate case for Occam's Razor, this is it. And frankly, I think the doubts that are raised about the identification have more to do with Ripperological politics than anything.
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Originally posted by Chris View PostFor balance - of course, the Swanson Marginalia say that the suspect "Kosminski" was admitted to Colney Hatch, and in the records of that asylum there is only one admission of a patient with that or a similar surname - a man who had lived in his brother's house in Whitechapel, just as the annotations say.
It was not a common surname in the UK at that time - only 5 adult male deaths registered in England and Wales before 1925. Despite a lot of searching, no one has found any record of another man named Kozminski (or variant) being admitted to any lunatic asylum in this country.
I think if there was ever an appropriate case for Occam's Razor, this is it. And frankly, I think the doubts that are raised about the identification have more to do with Ripperological politics than anything.
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Originally posted by Theagenes View PostYes, I mentioned this earlier and asked if anyone knew the family tree from Kate to Karen. We might be able to list exactly how many matrilineal descendants of Kate could be candidates that could have possibly contaminated the shawl since it became public in 1990.
In brief (and unchecked):
Kate Eddowes and Conway have a daughter Catherine Anne who marries Louis Phillips
Their daughter Ellen Phillips marries Joseph W Wells.
Their daughter, Catherine Annie Wells (Karen's grandmother) marries Albert J Foskett
Their daughter is, presumably, Karen's mother.Mick Reed
Whatever happened to scepticism?
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Hello all
Very long time lurker here and now first time poster. I've been casually studying the Ripper case for a few years and had just put the finishing touches to my latest novel which stars William Bury as Jack when I heard the Kozminski DNA news. Talk about bad timing! (Anyway, my novel, which sees Bury, Eddowes and Arthur Conan Doyle cross paths in Birmingham two months before the Whitechapel murders, will be out in the next month, DNA or not).
Despite choosing Bury as the Ripper for my story, I don't really have a favourite, and could be convinced on Kosminski. But what I don't really get at all is the notion that the Ripper's semen could have been placed on a garment, any garment, in Mitre Square.
There just isn't time.
If we accept that Lawende sees Eddowes and the killer at the Church Passage entrance to Mitre Square at 1.34am, and that the killer would stop his work at.1:40am when PC Harvey went down Duke St and into Church Passage as far as Mitre Square, then the murderer carried out a phenomenal amount of injuries and organ removal in the space of six minutes. And now we have to factor in that he masturbated to climax as well?
I was listing every cut that was made today and will happily post them. It's a very long list, though. Especially when you add in all the other things he has to do in that time frame.
And even if he carries on regardless when PC Harvey approaches, he still has to be out of there by the time P.C. Watkins strolls back into Mitre Square 4 minutes later. So it's ten minutes tops, including walking her into the dark south-west corner at the start and making his escape at the end.
The injuries themselves are hard enough to buy in the available time frame (and I know there's a lot of dispute on various ripper boards about this), but a bit of 'solitary vice' as well?
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Originally posted by Chris View Post
I think if there was ever an appropriate case for Occam's Razor, this is it. And frankly, I think the doubts that are raised about the identification have more to do with Ripperological politics than anything.
A strong likelihood does not make a 'fact'.Mick Reed
Whatever happened to scepticism?
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Originally posted by Andy Conway View Post
Despite choosing Bury as the Ripper for my story, I don't really have a favourite, and could be convinced on Kosminski. But what I don't really get at all is the notion that the Ripper's semen could have been placed on a garment, any garment, in Mitre Square.
There just isn't time.
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NOTHING wrong with writing a novel, especially when you admit that's what it is.
I don't buy the shawl thing based on what we know so far, but if Edwards is right (que ?) that it belonged to Kosminski then he could have done the masturbating bit long before - at home, in the park, when he killed Annie Chapman, or whenever.Mick Reed
Whatever happened to scepticism?
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Originally posted by mickreed View PostYes, Chris, a reasonable, even compelling, argument, but still not quite the same as 'the police knew all along it was Aaron Kosminski'.
A strong likelihood does not make a 'fact'.
But I really think we can say beyond reasonable doubt that the Kosminski mentioned by Macnaghten and Swanson was Aaron, in view of the rarity of the surname in England at that time, and the complete absence of any alternative candidate who was committed to an asylum.
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Originally posted by Chris View Post
But I really think we can say beyond reasonable doubt that the Kosminski mentioned by Macnaghten and Swanson was Aaron, in view of the rarity of the surname in England at that time, and the complete absence of any alternative candidate who was committed to an asylum.Mick Reed
Whatever happened to scepticism?
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