Kosminski and Victim DNA Match on Shawl

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  • lynn cates
    Commisioner
    • Aug 2009
    • 13841

    #556
    romantic

    Hello Stewart.

    "What fog?"

    That's what I was wondering.

    Cheers.
    LC

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    • Sir Francis Dashwood
      Cadet
      • Sep 2014
      • 2

      #557
      If I was writing a book I'd be identifying a policeman who left the crime scene undetected with a massive bloodstained tablecloth under his arm.

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      • Jeff Leahy
        Assistant Commissioner
        • Mar 2008
        • 3740

        #558
        Originally posted by Observer View Post
        So who exactly has dated the pattern to the Edwardian age?
        Hi Observer

        THe Shawl was the subject of some discussion when i was trying to make a program about 2002

        At that time I gave serious interest into the possibility of DNA

        It don't exist

        But the person who looked into the shawl was a guy who I have utmost respect for…called Andy Aliffe… He dated the shawl at the Victorian and Albert museum, I believe he was working there at the time, and they came up with edwardian 1902=04 based on the design… Its later been identified as an Edwarian Table Runner 8mx2m… It aint a shawl

        If it belonged to Cathrine Eddows she would have cashed it in and gone on a long luxury holiday….but she could not have afforded it..

        And I await anyone to challenge me why.. Arom Kosminksi would have wondered around WhoitChapel with such an article

        It simply didn't Happen

        Yours Jeff x

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        • lynn cates
          Commisioner
          • Aug 2009
          • 13841

          #559
          deduction/induction

          Hello Jeff. Thanks.

          But my point is that PROOF is deductive, EVIDENCE, inductive. Science is an INDUCTIVE discipline.

          Cheers.
          LC

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          • RavenDarkendale
            Detective
            • Aug 2012
            • 414

            #560
            Originally posted by bigjon View Post
            Announcement regarding the 2015 Conference in Nottingham:

            We spoke to Russell Edwards last week about appearing at next years conference in Nottingham, but he is currently unsure.
            Strange. Had I actually cracked the ID of JtR and was certain of my findings, NOTHING would stop me from showing up at that conference and crowing about how I succeeded against all odds! And he "Isn't sure"? Quite possibly about a LOT of things, this guy!

            Raven
            And the questions always linger, no real answer in sight

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            • Jeff Leahy
              Assistant Commissioner
              • Mar 2008
              • 3740

              #561
              Originally posted by Stewart P Evans View Post
              Mind they don't try to tie your hands behind your back Jeff...
              I think Winstion Churchhill stated " Madam you are drunk but in the morning I will be Sober'

              But of course I can't prove Aron Kosminski was JtR anymore than anyone else on these boards can prove their suspect to be JtR..

              But Aron Kosminski remains the leading suspect…THAT IS FACT

              Jx

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              • Wickerman
                Commissioner
                • Oct 2008
                • 14864

                #562
                Much appreciated Jeff.

                I believed it was more like a table-runner than a shawl, for a couple of reason's, but as for it being Victorian or Edwardian, I wouldn't have a clue.
                Andy Aliffe is not unknown to this forum, at least to those a bit longer in the tooth.
                Regards, Jon S.

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                • Jeff Leahy
                  Assistant Commissioner
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 3740

                  #563
                  Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                  Hello Jeff. Thanks.

                  But my point is that PROOF is deductive, EVIDENCE, inductive. Science is an INDUCTIVE discipline.

                  Cheers.
                  LC
                  I'm lost what does that have to do with an Edwardian table Runner

                  There is no Shawl?

                  Your Jeffx

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                  • Henry Flower
                    Inactive
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 1131

                    #564
                    As entertaining as SPE's snippets are, I don't think it's quite fair to judge the theory too harshly based solely on a few tabloid idiocies.

                    Much more reasonable to read the google-books excerpts and learn all about the author's marriages and entire career history, the weird feeling he once had while stood at a certain street corner in Spitalfields, and how his genuine interest in the case was sparked by the painstakingly accurate portrayal of the crimes in the highly intelligent Johnny Depp classic From Hell.

                    Having established his bona-fides so impressively, I'm personally sure that all questions of provenance and DNA testing will be dealt with thoroughly in the text.

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                    • bladen7273.
                      Cadet
                      • Jun 2014
                      • 26

                      #565
                      Originally posted by Jeff Leahy View Post
                      I think Winstion Churchhill stated " Madam you are drunk but in the morning I will be Sober'

                      But of course I can't prove Aron Kosminski was JtR anymore than anyone else on these boards can prove their suspect to be JtR..

                      But Aron Kosminski remains the leading suspect…THAT IS FACT

                      Jx
                      What about Maybrick Jeff?

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                      • lynn cates
                        Commisioner
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 13841

                        #566
                        match

                        Hello Jason.

                        "if someone took d.n.a samples from the descendants and put it on the shawl surely this d.n.a would give a full profile not a weak one."

                        Yes. Like 100%? (heh-heh)

                        Cheers.
                        LC

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                        • Jeff Leahy
                          Assistant Commissioner
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 3740

                          #567
                          Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
                          Much appreciated Jeff.

                          I believed it was more like a table-runner than a shawl, for a couple of reason's, but as for it being Victorian or Edwardian, I wouldn't have a clue.
                          Andy Aliffe is not unknown to this forum, at least to those a bit longer in the tooth.
                          Many of us here, very long in the tooth will remember Andy Aliffe

                          He certainly has a number of papers on here

                          But most remembered as a dear friend and the person who organised the early Jack the ripper conferences including Wolverhampton…

                          Andy also did the research on the 'Seaside homes' a legend in ripperology

                          Yours Jeff

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                          • spyglass
                            Sergeant
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 718

                            #568
                            And I await anyone to challenge me why.. Arom Kosminksi would have wondered around WhoitChapel with such an article

                            It simply didn't Happen

                            Yours Jeff x[/QUOTE]


                            Cos he was mad ???

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                            • Jeff Leahy
                              Assistant Commissioner
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 3740

                              #569
                              Originally posted by bladen7273. View Post
                              What about Maybrick Jeff?
                              TGhats simple… MAybrick is TOSH

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                              • Jeff Leahy
                                Assistant Commissioner
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 3740

                                #570
                                Originally posted by spyglass View Post
                                And I await anyone to challenge me why.. Arom Kosminksi would have wondered around WhoitChapel with such an article

                                It simply didn't Happen

                                Yours Jeff x

                                Cos he was mad ???[/QUOTE]

                                No , because such a table runner was bulky..very valuable..and utterly useless while trying to hack prostitutes guts out..Yours Jeff

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