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Originally posted by pinkmoon View PostI mean I hope the police investigate these claims made about this shawl.SPE
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Originally posted by pinkmoon View PostIt is not a perfect match that gives a billion to one chance against its produced a weaker strain which they claim is because the d.n.a is so old which gives a 400,000 to one chance against but and this is the big but for me d.n.a has been taken from living direct descendants at some stage so could that have Been tamperd with and added to the shawl?SPE
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Originally posted by Stewart P Evans View PostThey hoped that with the 'diary', but what investigation there was ended quite abruptly, there was no identifiable 'injured party', although I thought 'the public' might have sufficed.Three things in life that don't stay hidden for to long ones the sun ones the moon and the other is the truth
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Too Kind
Originally posted by pinkmoon View PostDo you mean the thousands of poor sods who forked out 8 quid a time to buy the book about the diary and the videos and you who produced an excellent book about tumblty which came out after the diary and a lot of people didn't buy because the fuss the diary caused and thought here we go again we were all conned on that diary the diary that no one made any money out of so we were told .SPE
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Originally posted by Stewart P Evans View PostYou should be so lucky.
And I thought women went weak at the knees for someone who could talk for hours on a first date about the details of a 126 year old undiscovered eviscerator.
regards,Last edited by Tecs; 09-09-2014, 03:12 PM.If I have seen further it is because I am standing on the shoulders of giants.
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Originally posted by Stewart P Evans View PostYou actually make very valid points. The dreaded 'shawl' has been through umpteen hands and has been handled without any thought of evidence many, many times. There is no continuity, it has been in private hands for donkeys' years and this alone makes any DNA work on it totally invalid.Three things in life that don't stay hidden for to long ones the sun ones the moon and the other is the truth
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Surprised
Originally posted by Tecs View PostHa ha, yes as I was writing it I was thinking "Yeah as if..."
And I thought women went weak at the knees for someone who could talk for hours on a first date about the details of a 126 year old undiscovered eviscerator.
regards,
I didn't just say that.SPE
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Originally posted by Stewart P Evans View PostYou are too kind...Three things in life that don't stay hidden for to long ones the sun ones the moon and the other is the truth
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Total Non-Starter
Originally posted by pinkmoon View PostImagine trying to introduce the d.n.a taken from the shawl as evidence in a murder trial.SPE
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Originally posted by AdamNeilWood View PostWhat was displayed at Wolverhampton was a replica of Kate's clothing and possessions produced by Andy and Claudia Aliffe.
On a related note, I spoke with Andy Aliffe this morning who said he has never worked at the V&A and has never spoken to them about the shawl. The Edwardian dating comes from a quote by former Crime Museum Curator Alan McCormick, who told Russell Edwards that is what Sotheby's had told him from a cursory glance.
Reading Russell Edwards' book, the truth seems to be rather different.
Adam
And many thanks for this confirmation. I was Not at the bounmouth event but was at the Wolverhampton event and was working fairly regularly with Andy Aliffe at this time.
I'm fairly certain that Andy was working at the museums at this time.. But could have been anyone of them (It was a long time ago and I'm working from memory) However I do remember Andy telling me the shawl was of Edwardian origin not 1888. At that time he new the Parlours well and introduced me to them. If I have confused elements of that story I do apologise to Andy. However I maintain that Andy is one of the great unsung heroes of ripperology who's research and guidance should not be questioned.
It does appear however that the basic story of the clothes ID as Edwardian remains the same..
After all thats largely what these forums are here for .. is it NOT?
It would be great to get any further clarification Andy is willing to give about the shawl and its authenticity. I do know he had considerable contact and involvement with the Parlours at that time.
Many thanks, as always, for your help Adam. Always the voice of reason.
Yours Jeff
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Not my best book...
Originally posted by pinkmoon View PostI am honest! fakes harm any subject .your book would have sold more copies if that diary hadn't appeared people were put of the subject by that diary.SPE
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Hi all,
I didn't want to do this post as I thought somebody would have already. But unless I missed it, apologies if I did, nobody has suggested this.
In the follow on discussion about how the DNA's could have got on to the item if not at Mitre Square some people have made a few suggestions. But isn't one of the obvious ones that as Kate did work for the Jews, she may at some time have cleaned or helped out at the Kosminski house?
Actually, do you know what, I give in. You can see where I was going but I admit defeat. I'm off to bed!
Fill in your own ending.
See you all tomorrow.
regards,If I have seen further it is because I am standing on the shoulders of giants.
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