Kosminski and Victim DNA Match on Shawl

[GUT]

Just a note that if anyone not familiar with what the Eddowes shawl is would prefer not to have to spend $20 to find out, my book is available on Kindle for $2.99 and gives a pretty good synopsis of its alleged (and that's the key word) history. Also, I think the rest of the book is a pretty good read as well.

The title of this thread is the name of the book.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

G'day Tom

It's not the title of this thread that's the name of your book, is it?

[robhouse]

duplicate

[robhouse]

No , because such a table runner was bulky..very valuable..and utterly useless while trying to hack prostitutes guts out..Yours Jeff

Here's a picture of the "bulky" table runner, folded... Appears to be about 9 by 7 inches square, and around half an inch thick. The thing is so thin I am certain I could put it in my pocket, folded.

RH

[mklhawley]

Just a note that if anyone not familiar with what the Eddowes shawl is would prefer not to have to spend $20 to find out, my book is available on Kindle for $2.99 and gives a pretty good synopsis of its alleged (and that's the key word) history. Also, I think the rest of the book is a pretty good read as well.

The title of this thread is the name of the book.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Congrats Tom! It's on my Christmas list.

Sincerely,

Mike

[mklhawley]

YEAH BUT ARON KOSMINSKI IS STILL JACK THE RIPPER, WE BOTH KNOW THAT

Oh yah, I saw that on ghost adventures. The ghost of which victim spilled the beans?

Mike

[Jonathan H]

Solitary Vices

Why the Kosminski descendants?

Why not other suspects' descendants?

Perhaps they did try others, but there is no mention of such an ecumenical approach in the media I have seen so far.

My guess is they started with semen, and that led them, instantly and inevitably, to the suspect Aaron Kosminski and his "solitary vices" (Macnaghten) a.k.a. "unmentionable vices" (Anderson).

It's a pity this latest over-reach/hustle will lead to Kosminski being 'discredited' as a plausible suspect as that will be an over-reach too.

[mklhawley]

Hi Jonathan,

Well, it certainly has breathed some new life into old posters coming back. Love it!

Mike

[Roy Corduroy]

Hey Jonathan,

My guess is they started with semen

Yeah, Eddowes' shawl, the DNA. You've heard of "A Bridge too far" -

this semen thing is "A Scratch and Sniff too far."

Roy

[Poch]

I picked up the book and am about half way through. It's not the worst written ripper book I've read. I rolled my eyes at the michalmas theory, but he's thankfully dropped that line of thought and it seems it was just an impetus for his own theorycrafting.

Anyway, nothing more to say until it's finished. Regardless of content, it is interesting reading so far.

Edit: nevermind.. He's off and running with the michaelmas theory again. He's gonna have to give me more than this to buy that one. Science stuff is still interesting though.

[roughyed]

Wow! Jack the Ripper goggles for sale?! Obviously needed with all that blood and semen flying around! I wager he used the "shawl" to clean his goggles so he could play with his yo yo on the way home!

[Jeff Leahy]

Here's a picture of the "bulky" table runner, folded... Appears to be about 9 by 7 inches square, and around half an inch thick. The thing is so thin I am certain I could put it in my pocket, folded.

RH

Possibly fit into a pocket? perhaps

But know one was seen at the scene with a parcel of any kind. And why carry around a Table runner?

If the purpose was to rap organs in, then why leave it at the scene?

As Jonathon says it all looks like back to front ripperology joining the shawl with Kosminski.

Surely the important key that everyone now ignores is that Aron lives in Durfeild Yard as a child. Does that not make the space where Stide was stood more personal to him?

Yours Jeff

PS It might also be worth mentioning that the photo you show probably isn't the whole original table clothe as a piece was removed and framed by the Parlours at one time.

[The Good Michael]

But know one was seen at the scene with a parcel of any kind. And why carry around a Table runner?

He was planning to dine al fresco, but the weather took a turn?

Mike

[Jeff Leahy]

He was planning to dine al fresco, but the weather took a turn?

Mike

Good morning Mike

It looks like the consensus here is that the shawl is NOT genuine.

However simply as Devils advocate, I'm surprised the author didn't consider this:

If the shawl was rolled tightly across its width and then folded across its length, you'd possibly have a Murder Weapon.

Its possible Eddows was attacked from behind and garrotted.

Its presence at the scene would then make more sense than for any other purpose… You'd simply have to wait a few years for table runners to come into fashion and get a tardis

Cheers Jeff

[curious4]

Hello Lynn,

Very true but just doesn't fit with the picture I have of him. Roaming the streets picking up pieces of bread from the streets and muttering to himself. Suppose it is possible that he had lucid moments, we don't really have a proper diagnosis, but I see him getting worse and worse. In other words not a smooth individual who could persuade a woman who was aware of the dangers to go with him to a dark corner somewhere.

Best wishes

Gwyneth/C4

P.S. Shawly he was too disturbed to be the Ripper? Sorry, couldn't resist!

[Fisherman]

I have had word about my posting on DNA haplogroups, and correctly so - In my second post, I did not use matrilinear DNA groupings, which I should of course have done.

However, I only noticed that there is a site dealing with these matters, and on it, somebody with knowledge about DNA posted this on the matrilinear T1a1 haplogroup and Russian Jews:

Now for the fly in the ointment, I have not found this haplogroup in Russian Jewish people. In fact, the clients who I have done DNA Reports for who fall into this haplogroup are not Jewish – none of them, nor do they have Jewish matches. Neither does Dr. Behar identify this as a Jewish haplogroup in his founding mother’s paper. Nor is this identified elsewhere as a Jewish haplogroup. Of course, this Daily Mail article has no sources, so we can’t independently verify what was said, but it looks like this assertion of T1a1 typical of Jewish people may be in error.

The whole thing - and it is VERY interesting - can be accessed via

http://dna-explained.com/2014/09/08/jack-the-ripper/

I reccommend a read!

The best,
Fisherman