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Originally posted by Phil Carter View Post........EVERYTHING that can blow this clearly concocted story to smithereens should be thrown slap bang down on the table in front of the persons behind this nonsense for them to answer otherwise.
The provenance of the Amos Simpson shawl story comes before the ownership of the shawl- or whatever the blasted thing is.
IMO It is physically impossible for Simpson to have left N division and get to Mitre Square after the murder happened and not meet the doctors and policemen- and by dint of the sketch of the bodw WITHOUT the 8ft piece of material- he cannot have done it without having left N division before or at best as the murder was committed.
That proves the Amos Simpson story to be untrue. Which is the basis for the ownership of the shawl
Phil
You are a recognised expert in the field of distances and time used by various people in this case- therefore I would value your opinion concerning time used vis a vis the above.
Am I correct in my assertions about Amos Simpson? What is the earliest ETA for Simpson in Mitre Square if he heard about the killing whilst in N division territory?
with appreciation
PhilChelsea FC. TRUE BLUE. 💙
Justice for the 96 = achieved
Accountability? ....
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Originally posted by paul g View PostYeah but now I'm too slow to catch them lol and football my legs won,t do what my brain wants them to do.G U T
There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.
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Originally posted by Phil Carter View PostHello Monty,
You are a recognised expert in the field of distances and time used by various people in this case- therefore I would value your opinion concerning time used vis a vis the above.
Am I correct in my assertions about Amos Simpson? What is the earliest ETA for Simpson in Mitre Square if he heard about the killing whilst in N division territory?
with appreciation
Phil
THe so called 'shawl' is just a red herring. But I guess you'd like that? Take away from the facts wouldn't it?
Yours jeff
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Originally posted by Jeff Leahy View PostHi Observer
Yes you get to the heart of it. I can only tel you what I understood at the time, and please understand that at that time I was rather hoping it was real.
Andy was at that time working at the V&A and had the daisy pattern checked out. The conclusion was that it was to late i.e. Edwardian. From memory I think that date was 1902-04 but I;m certain anyone could check that with Andy (Last I spoke to him he had not been well)
Its an Edwardian Table runner. About 8 meters in Length and 2 Metres wide.
If Cathrine Eddows owned this (Stollen) then why did she simply not porn it and have the night of her life?
Why would Aron Kosminski (If he were JtR, and I seem to be the only person credibly questioning this) why would he carry an 8 metre clothe that would restrict his movements? Its silly, is it not?
But more importantly what are the chances of either Victim or KIllre being caught at said same time with the damn length of fabric?
It simply don't make sense, and the time frames are impossible
Yours Jeff
Regards
Observer
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I think the fly in the ointment is the fact this textile cannot be placed at the murder scene, nor placed in the possession of either the Eddowes family nor the Kozminski family at any time.
That fact alone calls into the question the 'pioneering' procedure that turned up this DNA to begin with.Regards, Jon S.
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Originally posted by Wickerman View PostI think the fly in the ointment is the fact this textile cannot be placed at the murder scene, nor placed in the possession of either the Eddowes family nor the Kozminski family at any time.
That fact alone calls into the question the 'pioneering' procedure that turned up this DNA to begin with.
Agreed. Additionally, Imo there are problems at every level even before the evidence regarding the mtDNA business is looked at. There are many holes in this presentation.
regards
PhilChelsea FC. TRUE BLUE. 💙
Justice for the 96 = achieved
Accountability? ....
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Hi Phil.
I think we need to know more about this procedure.
M-Vac is a well known and recent innovation..
Wet-Vacuum Forensic DNA Collection Continues to Gain Support, a guest blog post by Jared Bradley, President & CEO M-Vac Systems, Utah.
But, the procedure used by Dr. Louhelainen he explained was developed by himself.
Louhelainen did not develop M-Vac.
So what is he talking about?Regards, Jon S.
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Dating the Shawl
Andy was at that time working at the V&A and had the daisy pattern checked out. The conclusion was that it was to late i.e. Edwardian. From memory I think that date was 1902-04 but I;m certain anyone could check that with Andy (Last I spoke to him he had not been well)
Jeff can you tell me what year the shawl was dated at the V & A ?
Thanks
Pat..........
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Originally posted by Wickerman View PostHi Phil.
I think we need to know more about this procedure.
M-Vac is a well known and recent innovation..
Wet-Vacuum Forensic DNA Collection Continues to Gain Support, a guest blog post by Jared Bradley, President & CEO M-Vac Systems, Utah.
But, the procedure used by Dr. Louhelainen he explained was developed by himself.
Louhelainen did not develop M-Vac.
So what is he talking about?
I have tried to find an answer to that today because I was asked by a daily newspaper here. I havent found a clear answer- and his own explanation isnt too clear. I am in contact with an aquaintance in Finland to see if any papers on the methodology used has been published in Finnish- his native tongue- despite him working in Liverpool.
I hope that way we way get a clearer explanation. I have a feeling I may be disappointed though.
regards
PhilChelsea FC. TRUE BLUE. 💙
Justice for the 96 = achieved
Accountability? ....
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Just a note that if anyone not familiar with what the Eddowes shawl is would prefer not to have to spend $20 to find out, my book is available on Kindle for $2.99 and gives a pretty good synopsis of its alleged (and that's the key word) history. Also, I think the rest of the book is a pretty good read as well.
The title of this thread is the name of the book.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott
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