Kosminski and Victim DNA Match on Shawl

[Observer]

Oh, and the person known as Pinkspume, has his gramophone needle stuck.

[Observer]

Since I've left this thread, thhere has been so much written, so forgive me if my question is basic but,

Is the DNA, for both parties conclusive?

Simple question, really would like a simple answer for this simple man.

Cheers
Monty

Hi Monty. I have been following this thread, and I'd like to answer your question. On the whole, nothing conclusive. However there are certain areas where a conclusion was nearly reached, I think, but don't quote me.

Whatever you do, don't visit the, "A problem with the "Eddowes shawl" DNA match" thread. That is, not until you've done an intensive three day Genetics crash course, with the emphasis on DNA. I have been considering doing the necessary "qualification", but really can't be arsed. I'll leave the real scientific stuff to the experts like Jari the Finn, although whether they can be arsed to carry out the work is anyone's guess. Another thing, if you decide to become a DNA expert in three days so to speak, and visit said thread, be prepared for copious amounts of back slapping. I'm sure that some of those involved, have hit each other so hard that they've dislocated their biopolymer strands.

Regards

Observer

[Chris]

My understanding is that statisyically the Eddow's match is far better than the Kosminski match.

There is a problem with the Eddowes match, and until that's clarified it's not clear that it's statistically significant at all:

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=8370

[PaulB]

Hello Paul. Thanks.

Given that Chris and I have decided to drop this, perhaps this admonition is redundant?

But thanks.

Cheers.
LC

I said it should, but it presented an opportunity to remind ourselves of Admins commandment.

[Jeff Leahy]

Since I've left this thread, thhere has been so much written, so forgive me if my question is basic but,

Is the DNA, for both parties conclusive?

Simple question, really would like a simple answer for this simple man.

Cheers
Monty

THe simple answer is NO.

My understanding is that statisyically the Eddow's match is far better than the Kosminski match.

I'm far from being an expert as you know but I have been following this thread and thats what I take from it..

I think Colin Roberts gave some more accurate statistal analysis somewhere

Trust its as sunny in brumie as it is in sunstone.

Jeff

[GUT]

1. There have been so many crap suspects presented over the years that what should be a field of serious research has been turned into a freak show, with the added effect of all suspects being reflex-wise dissed, sometimes with inadequate before-hand consideration.

G'day Fisherman

Wise words there.

[Fisherman]

Welcome to Ripperology.

The Kosminskians would point out that Aaron Kosminski was a bonafide police suspect, whereas Lechmere (Cross) was merely a bonafide witness.

The Lechmerians would point out that Aaron Kosminski might be the Kosminski named by Swanson who might be the unnamed Polish Jew suspect described by Anderson and if so was indeed the Kosminski all but exonerated of the murders by Macnaghten in his memoranda.

Meanwhile, there's the majority of Ripperologists saying twasn't either of them.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Of course, no matter what the evidence looks like and no matter who is pointed out and by whom, it will still apply that a majority of Ripperologists will say: "Nah, that´s not the guy." The only differences we´ll ever see are differences in amplitude - some suspects and some suspect promotors will be given a bit more slack. But never enough to create a consensus, God forbid!

Please observe that this is not something I claim out of bitterness over having had my man rejected - I always knew that was gonna happen. Throw Le Grand to the wolves, and you will see yourself, Tom!

There are two main problems attaching to this issue, and they are easily enough defined:

1. There have been so many crap suspects presented over the years that what should be a field of serious research has been turned into a freak show, with the added effect of all suspects being reflex-wise dissed, sometimes with inadequate before-hand consideration.

2. People will use the wrong threads to conduct this specific debate on. Like you and me right now, Tom!

The best,
Fisherman

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Paul. Thanks.

Given that Chris and I have decided to drop this, perhaps this admonition is redundant?

But thanks.

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

I think everyone who has been following the thread would agree that the evidence presented to date is far from conclusive.

Thank you Chris.

Monty

[Chris]

Since I've left this thread, thhere has been so much written, so forgive me if my question is basic but,

Is the DNA, for both parties conclusive?

Simple question, really would like a simple answer for this simple man.

I think everyone who has been following the thread would agree that the evidence presented to date is far from conclusive.

[pinkmoon]

None of this is true because the shawl couldn't have been at any of the murder sites.

[Monty]

Since I've left this thread, thhere has been so much written, so forgive me if my question is basic but,

Is the DNA, for both parties conclusive?

Simple question, really would like a simple answer for this simple man.

Cheers
Monty

[PaulB]

One of the most sensible posts on here. As the shawl was not at the murder scene it hardly matters what was or is on it now. Any DNA is irrelevant to the case.

Amanda ( S )

So if - and let me emphasise that, if - the shawl did have victim and suspect DNA on it, but it couldn't be shown to have been at the murder scene, you would advocate discarding it, binning it as worthless, dismissing the DNA as irrelevant?

[PaulB]

Hello Chris. Thanks.

Well, not you. And I do not accuse you.

Let's drop this, eh?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn
There was a post on this thread from Admin which told people not to make allegations unless they were willing and able to provide the evidence to support them. Doesn't accusing people as being science worshippers fall within that rule? I think one should drop this, but it does no harm to remind ourselves of Admins rule.

[lynn cates]

battle

Hello Jeff. Thanks.

I still don't know what battle you refer to?

But I am GLAD to drop it. After all, NOTHING has changed.

Cheers.
LC