A Case of Misattribution?

[Hunter]

The bottom line with Schwartz is that, no matter how truthful his story, it could not be allowed to torpedo the 1.00 am murder-interruptus incident and "double-event" which subsequently passed into official history.

Who do you believe? Israel Schwartz or Saucy Jacky?

The police released descriptions of the men Schwartz testified that he saw on the 19th. They considered all of the evidence and possibilities of this murder. A trained detective like Swanson would have no reason to torpedo any ongoing investigation for the sake of a theory. They would have been more than happy to finger anyone for any one of these murders if they could considering the pressure they were already under.

[Abby Normal]

Arguably, per some theorists, they did...disguising an earlier discovery of the body...

All the best

Dave

All they needed to do was to have him say he came upon a man over her body with a knife who rushed passed him as he entered the yard. Simple end of suspicion on the club. Not some convoluted story with lots of strange details and two different witnesses which could easily unravel under questioning.

[Cogidubnus]

A question. If a group of people needed a cover story to guide the police away from any percieved involvement in a crime, do they not always use a 'plant' to divert any such attention?
It isnt exactly an unknown phenomenon amongst the criminal fraternity, no?

Hi Phil

In an entirely abstract sense you're right of course...it IS a known phenomenon...but equally nobody knows for sure whether it applies or not in this case...

Some folk have their suspicions (and I have to say I can't entirely gainsay them)...equally others trust Schwartz implicitly, (which I have to say I personally have some difficulty in doing)...However, at the end of the day, there remains to us only his testimony to rely on one way or the other.

Yes which he most probably was.

Hi Abby

I'm told by those who know me that I'm more gullible than most...I probably am...Yet I have trouble in simply accepting your unsupported statement...sorry!

Dave

[Phil Carter]

Hello Dave,

thanks.
Again, in an abstract sense, isnt a foil used to divert attention away from two main things, place and time?
Timing here being the factor I see as the main problem.

Best wishes

Phil

[Garry Wroe]

Yes and that what he saw was in no way connected to Stride or the murder

Go on then, Trev, humour me.

[lynn cates]

alternative

Hello Garry. Of course. And, if true, Liz was a victim of a fracas perpetrated by a drunken man.

But no one else heard this fracas and Brown was lying or mistaken.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Open mind

All they needed to do was to have him say he came upon a man over her body with a knife who rushed passed him as he entered the yard. Simple end of suspicion on the club. Not some convoluted story with lots of strange details and two different witnesses which could easily unravel under questioning.

Of course that's true...but assuming the club conspiracy theorists are correct they had perhaps ten minutes to gather, confer, and come up with a story...If that's a fictional story and what we hear today, they did ok...I'm not actively calling it one way or the other you understand...just playing the devil's advocate...despite, and I openly admit it, being more than a trifle suspicious of Schwartz.

All the best

Dave

[Abby Normal]

Hi Phil

In an entirely abstract sense you're right of course...it IS a known phenomenon...but equally nobody knows for sure whether it applies or not in this case...

Some folk have their suspicions (and I have to say I can't entirely gainsay them)...equally others trust Schwartz implicitly, (which I have to say I personally have some difficulty in doing)...However, at the end of the day, there remains to us only his testimony to rely on one way or the other.



Hi Abby

I'm told by those who know me that I'm more gullible than most...I probably am...Yet I have trouble in simply accepting your unsupported statement...sorry!

Dave

I think you have it backwards. There is no evidence that he was lying so until the conspiracists come up with something then you should be directing that statement to them.

But let me ask you something. Do you really think a foreigner in a new country a conservative looking Jew with a family who does not even speak the language is going to place himself and his family in severe jeopardy and lie to the police in a murder case????

[lynn cates]

mind reader

Hello Dave. Again, you have read my mind.

Impressive!

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

back up

Hello Abby. Dimshits has no back up line like Schwartz.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Dimshits

Hello (again) Dave. Well, yes, I think the discovery was a bit earlier. But Dimshits was not the one to tell the tale--English too good.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

man for the job

Hello Phil. Thanks. I'm with you. Schwartz was perfect.

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

Hello Dave. Again, you have read my mind.

Impressive!

Cheers.
LC

Yeah let's blame the Jews-really impressive.

Where have I heard that before.

[lynn cates]

Who lied?

Hello (again) Abby. But we don't know that he was lying. Maybe only the translator was.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Brave, brave Sir Robert

Hello (yet again) Abby. Who on earth is blaming the Jews? Have you been paying attention to Sir Robert again?

Cheers.
LC