The Jewish Standard Friday 14 November 1910

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Oh so now it's "the East End of London" is it? It was just Whitechapel a couple of posts ago.

Please PI, just provide the evidence to support your claim that "People who attended synagogue on Saturday did not do what Kosminski is alleged to have done on Saturday nights."

I would really love to know where you are getting this rubbish from.

For someone who supposedly dislikes character assassination, it is remarkable that you are prepared to make an exception for the Jews of the East End.

I am still waiting for you to provide evidence of Polish Jews attacking gentile women in the East End of London in the late nineteenth century.

And since you are so particular about the way in which words are used, I will rephrase it:

I am still waiting for you to provide evidence of cases in which a Polish Jew attacked a gentile woman in the East End of London in the late nineteenth century.

[Herlock Sholmes]

It was practically unheard of for Polish Jews to attack Jewish women, let alone gentile women, in the East End of London.

If you knew facts like that, you would not write such obvious howlers as that above.

Oh so now it's "the East End of London" is it? It was just Whitechapel a couple of posts ago.

Please PI, just provide the evidence to support your claim that "People who attended synagogue on Saturday did not do what Kosminski is alleged to have done on Saturday nights."

I would really love to know where you are getting this rubbish from.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

It's really no different from saying Christians who went to church didn't beat up women on a Sunday night. Of course they could, and almost certainly did.

It was practically unheard of for Polish Jews to attack Jewish women, let alone gentile women, in the East End of London.

If you knew facts like that, you would not write such obvious howlers as that above.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The last post just proves my point.

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[Herlock Sholmes]

This is just a gentle reminder that we are discussing the Jewish community in Whitechapel in 1888.

As I have pointed out before, public displays of drunkenness by Jews were practically unheard of, and Jews did not go out on Saturday night to beat up women in the street after attending synagogue.

I did issue a challenge some time ago to my adversaries to come up with evidence of Polish Jews attacking gentile women in the East End of London in the late nineteenth century.

There has so far been no response.

You know, I've never seen the goal posts change so many times in a single post.

One minute it's Jews didn't beat up women on Saturday nights, then it's just gentile women who they didn't attack, then it's just Jews in Whitechapel in 1888, then it's just Polish Jews!

But of course it's not just Polish Jews in Whitechapel in 1888 is it? It's got to be Polish Jews who can be proved to have gone to synagogue on the Sabbath in Whitechapel in 1888, presumably between August and December 1888! Just to make sure one can't be found.

I mean sure "Jews" as a group did not go out and beat up women on Saturday nights or any other night but individual Jewish men might well have done.

Going to synagogue on the Sabbath was practically obligatory for those in the Jewish community in Whitechapel in 1888. It didn't mean you were a good person simply because you went to synagogue. What type of fantasy world do you live in?

It's really no different from saying Christians who went to church didn't beat up women on a Sunday night. Of course they could, and almost certainly did.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

The last post just proves my point.

[Herlock Sholmes]

This is just a gentle reminder that we are discussing the Jewish community in Whitechapel in 1888.

As I have pointed out before, public displays of drunkenness by Jews were practically unheard of, and Jews did not go out on Saturday night to beat up women in the street after attending synagogue.

I did issue a challenge some time ago to my adversaries to come up with evidence of Polish Jews attacking gentile women in the East End of London in the late nineteenth century.

There has so far been no response.

Perhaps when you start answering questions….

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

This is just a gentle reminder that we are discussing the Jewish community in Whitechapel in 1888.

As I have pointed out before, public displays of drunkenness by Jews were practically unheard of, and Jews did not go out on Saturday night to beat up women in the street after attending synagogue.

I did issue a challenge some time ago to my adversaries to come up with evidence of Polish Jews attacking gentile women in the East End of London in the late nineteenth century.

There has so far been no response.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Is that the same Aaron Kosminski who, according to Elamarna, may have had a few drinks one Saturday evening, assaulted a prostitute, and shouted what was a well-known anti-Jewish slur at a man of obviously Jewish appearance who was passing by?

Strange that he should have been the kind of person who attended synagogue services.

(PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1)

Well, for what it is worth -- The serial killer known as BTK was a Lutheran church deacon and president of the church council.

(c.d.)


Are you not missing the point?

My comment related not just to Kosminski's character but also to his lifestyle.

People who attended synagogue on Saturday did not do what Kosminski is alleged to have done on Saturday nights.

And where is the evidence that Rader shouted anti-Christian comments at fellow Lutherans?

What a load of tripe!

The idea that being religious you won't commit sex crimes is literally insane!

A few examples of devout Jewish criminals:

Jerusalem Gay Pride: Ultra-Orthodox Jew convicted of murder over stabbing

Jerusalem Gay Pride: Ultra-Orthodox Jew convicted of murder over stabbing An Israeli court convicts an ultra-Orthodox Jew of murder over the fatal stabbing of a 16-year-old girl at Jerus...

Two Orthodox Jewish Rabbis Sentenced To Prison For Conspiring To Kidnap Jewish Husbands, Force Them To Consent To Religious Divorces

Two Orthodox Jewish Rabbis Sentenced To Prison For Conspiring To Kidnap ...

This guy probably went to synagogue every week:

Jewish man jailed for sexual offences against underage girls from Orthodox communities

Jewish man jailed for sexual offences against underage girls from Orthod... Abraham Ibrahim was also found guilty of possessing indecent images of children for distribution

This one definitely would have done:

Orthodox Jewish therapist gets 103 years in prison for sex abuse

Orthodox Jewish therapist gets 103 years in prison for sex abuse Jonathan Allen An ultra-Orthodox Jewish counsellor was sentenced to 103 years in prison on Tuesday for sexually abusing a young...

Undoubtedly this one (described as "a tremendous Hasid") did:

https://www.jta.org/2022/12/15/ny/satmar-grand-rebbe-visits-convicted-sexual-abuser-nechemya-weberman-in-prison

There must be plenty of others.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Is that the same Aaron Kosminski who, according to Elamarna, may have had a few drinks one Saturday evening, assaulted a prostitute, and shouted what was a well-known anti-Jewish slur at a man of obviously Jewish appearance who was passing by?

Strange that he should have been the kind of person who attended synagogue services.

(PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1)

Well, for what it is worth -- The serial killer known as BTK was a Lutheran church deacon and president of the church council.

(c.d.)


Are you not missing the point?

My comment related not just to Kosminski's character but also to his lifestyle.

People who attended synagogue on Saturday did not do what Kosminski is alleged to have done on Saturday nights.

And where is the evidence that Rader shouted anti-Christian comments at fellow Lutherans?

[Herlock Sholmes]

I heard something very different, Herlock, in a podcast about this reprobate.

From what was said, most people in town loathed him. Rader was a hard-ass compliance officer that loved chewing people out--particularly women--if their lawns were too messy or their dogs got loose. He threw his weight around and people thought he was a real piece of work. He also stalked several women and was once charged for it, so he didn't really have the squeaky 'clean' record that some people claim he had.

None of this has anything to do with Kosminski, of course, but I've seen people try to compare him to Charles Allen Lechmere. I don't see any resemblance.

I didn’t know that Roger. I’d assumed that he was the almost stereotypical “well he always seemed like a really nice guy to me” type.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I heard something very different, Herlock, in a podcast about this reprobate.

From what was said, most people in town loathed him. Rader was a hard-ass compliance officer that loved chewing people out--particularly women--if their lawns were too messy or their dogs got loose. He threw his weight around and people thought he was a real piece of work. He also stalked several women and was once charged for it, so he didn't really have the squeaky 'clean' record that some people claim he had.

None of this has anything to do with Kosminski, of course, but I've seen people try to compare him to Charles Allen Lechmere. I don't see any resemblance.

By an amazing coincidence, I read this about Rader a few minutes ago:


In May 1991, Rader became a dogcatcher and compliance officer in Park City.[19][24][25][26] In this position, neighbors recalled him as being sometimes overzealous and extremely strict, as well as taking special pleasure in bullying and harassing single women.[27] One neighbor complained that Rader killed her dog for no reason.[28]

(WIKIPEDIA)

[rjpalmer]

What would you have thought of Dennis Rader before we knew what kind of man he was? Probably that he was a decent, normal family guy.

I heard something very different, Herlock, in a podcast about this reprobate.

From what was said, most people in town loathed him. Rader was a hard-ass compliance officer that loved chewing people out--particularly women--if their lawns were too messy or their dogs got loose. He threw his weight around and people thought he was a real piece of work. He also stalked several women and was once charged for it, so he didn't really have the squeaky 'clean' record that some people claim he had.

None of this has anything to do with Kosminski, of course, but I've seen people try to compare him to Charles Allen Lechmere. I don't see any resemblance.

[barnflatwyngarde]

What would you have thought of Dennis Rader before we knew what kind of man he was? Probably that he was a decent, normal family guy. We don’t know if Kosminski was the killer or not. So it’s impossible to make a comparison. You’ll argue of course because you like arguing just for the sake of it.

Good point Herlock.

There was a long hiatus in the BTK killings.
When Rader was arrested, the police asked him about this period of non-murderous activity.
Rader explained that he thought that at that particular point in his family's life, his young children deserved the full attention of their father.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Perhaps we should ask our resident ex-murder squad detective whether he can detect any similarities between Aaron Kosminski and Dennis Rader.

I can't.

What would you have thought of Dennis Rader before we knew what kind of man he was? Probably that he was a decent, normal family guy. We don’t know if Kosminski was the killer or not. So it’s impossible to make a comparison. You’ll argue of course because you like arguing just for the sake of it.