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  • #16
    David,
    Agreed. Looks like a bowler to me. But I am WAY from being knowledgable on Victorian hats.

    As for the coincidence... its the "half spanner" theory again isn't it.

    best wishes

    Phil
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    • #17
      Hi Dave/Harry.

      I've been looking at that depiction of Hutchinson for the best part of twenty-five years and still can't decide whether I'm seeing a moustache or shadow. As for the eyes, the following places the image in its proper context.

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      All the best.

      Garry Wroe.

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      • #18
        Garry,

        Can you enhance the Hutchinson "alone" sketch even more? Face only perhaps? ...and perhaps close ups of the other two faces on their own?

        best wishes

        Phil
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        • #19
          Phil,
          the bowler is a problem, at least for those who, like me, think that Hutch was Lewis' man.
          Perhaps the artist hadn't seen Hutch, or wasn't even provided with an accurate description.
          On the other hand, your impression may have something to do with the well-known and obscure "miltary appearance".

          Amitiés,
          David

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          • #20
            Garry,
            seems a moustache to me. I may say so because I've always found something of John Richardson in Hutch's sketch.

            Amitiés,
            David

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            • #21
              David,
              You read my mind. The thing about Hutch I just cannot fathom, which throws my views on his testimony into the air, is that apart from his own comments about knowing, and speaking with Kelly, nobody knows Hutchinson. He says himself he walks around all night, in and out of pubs.... Victoria Home etc, yet no one recognised Hutchinson. And we can't find anything about the man from BEFORE Kelly, and we can't find him afterwards either!

              I have to say, that seems to me, as if he was a stranger to the area. And strangers in that vicinity, at that time, can indicate an undercover policeman. I hate to think of the other possibility. The murderer. Because that means, literally, good people lke Garry have been sitting for 25 years staring at Jack the Ripper, right under his nose, and indeed of us all, the whole time.

              best wishes

              Phil
              Last edited by Phil Carter; 12-23-2009, 05:56 PM.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Phil Carter View Post
                nobody knows Hutchinson
                Exactly, Phil,

                nobody knows him, though he said he knew Kelly for about 3 years.

                Amitiés,
                David

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                • #23
                  Quite David..

                  And another thing. Hutchinson said that he met Mary, she asked him for 6d, got the negative, and turned and walked away from him. She then met a man coming towards her, and after a short chat, they turned back towards Hutch, and he stooped to look at the man's face.
                  What I dont get, is IF Mary KNEW Hutchinson, as a friend, why didn't Hutchinson say, for ex, "Mary looked at me and smiled, or winked, or said tatta".. he doesn't mention Mary. Just this man she was with.
                  Look, what I'm trying to get at is that IF Mary was his good friend of three years, she would have said "night night Hutchinson" as she passed. I'm sure thats normal...isn't it?

                  best wishes

                  Phil
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                  • #24
                    Hi Phil.

                    The Hutchinson sketch was scanned from an original document (the Penny Illustrated, I believe) and then forwarded to Stephen as part of my book. Since I no longer have the original, and as I'm fairly sure that Stephen would have reduced the on-site file size, I'll do what I can to enlarge and enhance the image this evening. But I'm not unduly optimistic that the end result will yield anything worthwhile. As for the image of Kelly and the Jewish-looking punter, any enhancement would require a much larger file size. I feel sure, however, that someone somewhere on Casebook will have access to a more appropriate source image, so all is not lost.

                    Best wishes.

                    Garry Wroe.

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                    • #25
                      Garry,

                      Many thanks for your efforts and given with the seasons greetings to you.

                      best wishes

                      Phil
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                      • #26
                        Anyone knows if there is a sketch of Hutch in the Illustrated Police News?
                        There is Mr Astrakhan, so perhaps Hutch isn't far.
                        I have only what seems a part of the sketch, showing Astrakhan alone, in Glenn Anderson's book.

                        Amitiés,
                        David

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                        • #27
                          As I said, Phil, there wasn't much to play with, but here's the Kelly image:-

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                          And Hutchinson:-

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                          You could, if you like, try right-clicking the images and saving them to your own computer. Doubtless you'll be able to improve on my efforts.

                          All the best.

                          Garry Wroe.

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                          • #28
                            Many thanks Garry... oh I don't know... there seems to be some things there..

                            the image of "Mary" with a splodge of ink on her cheek... or a spot/mole?

                            and look behind the face of Jack.... in white.... is that a person?

                            As regards the one of Hutch.... the white above the lips indicates skin... maybe?

                            best wishes and MANY thanks...

                            Phil
                            Last edited by Phil Carter; 12-23-2009, 11:11 PM.
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                            • #29
                              And Jack seems to have a very full moustache...

                              best wishes

                              Phil
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                              • #30
                                the bowler is a problem, at least for those who, like me, think that Hutch was Lewis' man.
                                Perhaps the artist hadn't seen Hutch, or wasn't even provided with an accurate description.


                                Not really a problem, Dave. Hutchinson was certainly interviewed at the Victoria Home on Tuesday, 13 November (the day after his police interrogation) and possibly again on the Wednesday. I don’t think it unreasonable to suppose that this ‘man of military bearing’ might have dressed up for the occasion, wearing his Sunday best bowler or billycock hat, and that this was the image captured by an attendant sketch artist. Of course, it is even possible that the hat depicted in the sketch is indeed a wideawake.

                                Because that means, literally, good people lke Garry have been sitting for 25 years staring at Jack the Ripper, right under his nose, and indeed of us all, the whole time.


                                The thought had occurred to me, Phil.

                                As regards the one of Hutch.... the white above the lips indicates skin... maybe?


                                Again, Phil, it’s very difficult to tell.

                                And Jack seems to have a very full moustache...


                                That’s exactly as Hutchinson described him. The reality, however, is that the Jewish-looking suspect wasn’t ‘Jack’. Rather, he was simply a figment of Hutchinson’s imagination.

                                All the best.

                                Garry Wroe.
                                Last edited by Garry Wroe; 12-24-2009, 02:34 AM.

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