Hutch in the 1911 Census?

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  • Rob Clack
    Inactive
    • Feb 2008
    • 1708

    #1441
    Here's two different signatures from the same person, one from 1879 and one from 1911. Probably wont help, but never mind.

    George Henry Hutt 1879

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    George Henry Hutt 1911

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    Rob

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    • Crystal

      #1442
      No! Rob! Quick-take them away! Before it's too...late...
      Oh no....
      Listen...
      It's THEM!
      ...
      ...

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      • DVV
        Suspended
        • Apr 2008
        • 6014

        #1443
        Hi Rob,

        A great help, indeed.
        Obviously they (mis)match.

        Amitiés,
        David

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        • The Good Michael
          Assistant Commissioner
          • Feb 2008
          • 3773

          #1444
          Wow! Specifically, the G is worth noting.

          Mike
          huh?

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          • halomanuk
            Detective
            • Mar 2008
            • 365

            #1445
            Both G's even,what a difference time may make....

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            • Ben
              Commisioner
              • Feb 2008
              • 6843

              #1446
              Yes, thanks for that, Rob. A great help!

              The G is certainly worth noting insofar as Toppy's consistency over a 13-year time period has been demonstrated, during which time he closed his G-loops - in 1898 and 1911 to be precise. I don't know if Hutt demonstrated a similar degree of consistency. Your useful comparison would suggest otherwise.

              All the best,
              Ben

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              • DVV
                Suspended
                • Apr 2008
                • 6014

                #1447
                Originally posted by The Good Michael View Post
                Wow! Specifically, the G is worth noting.

                Mike
                Indeed.

                The Provence Punisher

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                • Sam Flynn
                  Casebook Supporter
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 13322

                  #1448
                  Originally posted by Ben View Post
                  The G is certainly worth noting insofar as Toppy's consistency over a 13-year time period has been demonstrated, during which time he closed his G-loops - in 1898 and 1911 to be precise. I don't know if Hutt demonstrated a similar degree of consistency. Your useful comparison would suggest otherwise.
                  Rob's (verily) useful comparison, Ben, shows that Hutt's signature seems to have changed quite a bit within the space of 12 years, and that it appears to have changed more than Hutchinson's (for it is he) had changed over a span of 23 years.
                  Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                  "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                  • Ben
                    Commisioner
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 6843

                    #1449
                    Rob's (verily) useful comparison, Ben, shows that Hutt's signature seems to have changed quite a bit within the space of 12 years
                    Indeed it does, Gareth, and Hutt contrasts markedly with Toppy in that regard, who demonstrated a remarkable consistency of signature over a longer period of time. As far as I'm concerned, we have no indications as to the real Hutchinson's propensity towards signature variation.

                    Best regards,
                    Ben
                    Last edited by Ben; 04-24-2009, 02:39 AM.

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                    • Scott Nelson
                      Superintendent
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 2402

                      #1450
                      But it should be obvious. Hutt is really Hutchinson. Now Hinton should really be apologising to Nunweek.

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                      • Sam Flynn
                        Casebook Supporter
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 13322

                        #1451
                        Originally posted by Ben View Post
                        Indeed it does, Gareth, and Hutt contrasts markedly with Toppy in that regard, who demonstrated a remarkable consistency of signature over a longer period of time. As far as I'm concerned, we have no indications as to the real Hutchinson's propensity towards signature variation.
                        We do, Ben - because 1888p1-3 (or let's take 1888p2-3, just in case Badham "back-filled" page 1) demonstrates that Hutchinson's signature changed very little over the 10 years before his marriage, and very little over the 23 years before the 1911 Census.

                        So, the "G" fluctuated between "open-loop" and "closed-loop"... but then, so did Hutt's. Note, also, that Hutt's lower-case "t" changes between the two samples, whereas Hutchinson remains faithful to his "top-launched t" throughout - and we can confirm this across multiple samples, thanks to his not using "ditto" marks when he wrote the surnames of his wife and children in 1911.
                        Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                        "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                        • DVV
                          Suspended
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 6014

                          #1452
                          one more boring post about the G

                          Hi Sam,
                          clearly, the 1879's "G" is closer to a G shaped as taught in school.
                          Which is logical.

                          Amitiés,
                          David

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                          • The Good Michael
                            Assistant Commissioner
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 3773

                            #1453
                            Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                            So, the "G" fluctuated between "open-loop" and "closed-loop"... but then, so did Hutt's.
                            Gareth,

                            and this was what I was alluding too, as you obviously know, before my remark was taken and used erroneously.

                            Cheers,

                            Mike
                            huh?

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                            • Sam Flynn
                              Casebook Supporter
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 13322

                              #1454
                              Indeed, Mike.
                              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                              • The Good Michael
                                Assistant Commissioner
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 3773

                                #1455
                                Gareth,

                                Doesn't that G help to tie up any objections in the Toppy/Hutch debate.

                                Aside from the G, which I didn't find to be a great difference as the mode of construction was the same, there weren't any big differences between Hutch and Toppy signatures. Now that we see that at least one other person varied between open and closed Gs, and bearing in mind that the pen stroke and effort to create either would have been identical, there should be no further objections.

                                I'm waiting for: Au contraire, mon cher.


                                Mike
                                huh?

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