Why Didn't the Police Have Schwartz and/or Lawende Take a Look at Hutchinson?

[Batman]

I think what’s being being pointed out is that there would have been significantly more Jews moving through Petticoat Lane market than anywhere else and the fact that an individual jew lived in one of the streets that hosted the market is not as significant as you suggest.

What I am reading here is that a Jew living near Petticoat Lane, doesn't make Jack the Ripper.

However, that isn't the argument I am making. It's just a bit of the argument.

Jacob Levy is significant, especially given the proximity to the GSG. Taken in context, it is significant because he is falling out of bed into the very place a JtR witnesses claims to have recognized his suspect from.

[MrBarnett]

I was pointing out how in that discussion the view Sam has is that it is near impossible not to hit on a Jewish area, such as with the Goulston St., apron.

Yet now in this thread, this specific market, out of all those other places, is just a coincidence that if someone was to make up seeing a Jew, they would pick the market.

Also, another point I would make is that some claimed JtR could have been hanging out at Spitalfields market with the early morning workers, blending in. Yet here we have this Jacob Levy character, not only fleeing into a market area (yes we know it isn't active at that time of night), but living right on top of one.

I think what’s being being pointed out is that there would have been significantly more Jews moving through Petticoat Lane market than anywhere else and the fact that an individual jew lived in one of the streets that hosted the market is not as significant as you suggest.

[Sam Flynn]

I was pointing out how in that discussion the view Sam has is that it is near impossible not to hit on a Jewish area, such as with the Goulston St., apron.

Indeed, throughout Whitechapel there were streets with a high density of Jewish residents, and there would have been plenty of streets that Jews used and/or worked in, even if they didn't live in that particular street. All these factors applied to the area around Petticoat Lane. The fact that Hutchinson saw a man of Jewish appearance in Petticoat Lane on a Sunday is therefore about as significant/useful as someone spotting a person of Chinese appearance in Chinatown.

[Simon Wood]

"No known bad characters are admitted. Tickets for beds are issued from five p.m. until 12.30 midnight, and after that hour if a man wants to get in he must have a pass.

"It is by these rules, especially, and by the exclusion of women, that the Victoria Home is so greatly to be preferred to the most modern and "improved" of the lodging-houses which are strictly commercial undertakings."

[Batman]

Your point is?

I was pointing out how in that discussion the view Sam has is that it is near impossible not to hit on a Jewish area, such as with the Goulston St., apron.

Yet now in this thread, this specific market, out of all those other places, is just a coincidence that if someone was to make up seeing a Jew, they would pick the market.

Also, another point I would make is that some claimed JtR could have been hanging out at Spitalfields market with the early morning workers, blending in. Yet here we have this Jacob Levy character, not only fleeing into a market area (yes we know it isn't active at that time of night), but living right on top of one.

[Michael W Richards]

His current lodging-house, the Victoria Home, was on Wentworth Street.

Do we know that was the case Sam? My understanding is that the lodger records would be daily check-in forms, unless a private room was rented rather than just a bed, and Hutch missed his check in that night. Thats why he was out on the street, yes?

So we could tell whether he stayed there based on previous lodging records, but on that night, there would be no record of him.

As I understand it there are no records that show his statement was checked with that lodging house to confirm he had resided there prior to that night..

[MrBarnett]

https://forum.casebook.org/showpost....0&postcount=38

Your point is?

[Batman]

Indeed it would, Joshua. Booth and his researchers emphasise the respectability of poor Jews in comparison to the their English/Irish neighbours. The black categorisation on the poverty map goes beyond economics and identifies the 'vicious' and 'semi-criminal'. You'd expect there to be fewer Jews in those streets.

https://forum.casebook.org/showpost.php?p=457820&postcount=38

[MrBarnett]

I believe you're thinking of the Arkell map representing "The Jew in London" in 1900;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Jew_in_London_-_A_study_of_racial_character_and_present-day_conditions.jpg

Very similar in design to the Booth poverty maps. It would be interesting to compare the two.

Indeed it would, Joshua. Booth and his researchers emphasise the respectability of poor Jews in comparison to the their English/Irish neighbours. The black categorisation on the poverty map goes beyond economics and identifies the 'vicious' and 'semi-criminal'. You'd expect there to be fewer Jews in those streets.

[Joshua Rogan]

Out of all the Jewish places Hutchinson could have picked, of which there are many (as per the Booth poverty map we hear time and time about again to make the point that there are no ways to avoid a Jewish connection!), Hutchinson just happened to pick this one?

A coincidence then?

I believe you're thinking of the Arkell map representing "The Jew in London" in 1900;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Jew_in_London_-_A_study_of_racial_character_and_present-day_conditions.jpg

Very similar in design to the Booth poverty maps. It would be interesting to compare the two.

[MrBarnett]

His current lodging-house, the Victoria Home, was on Wentworth Street.

And it was apparently a cut above the true 'doss houses'.

[MrBarnett]

Out of all the Jewish places Hutchinson could have picked, of which there are many (as per the Booth poverty map we hear time and time about again to make the point that there are no ways to avoid a Jewish connection!), Hutchinson just happened to pick this one?

A coincidence then?

Is it your understanding that the Booth Poverty Map recorded ethnicity?

[Sam Flynn]

I thought Hutchinson stayed in doss houses?

His current lodging-house, the Victoria Home, was on Wentworth Street.

[Batman]

Hutchinson lived on "Petticoat Lane" which, on a Sunday, would have been thronged with Jews, so not much of a coincidence either way.

I thought Hutchinson stayed in doss houses?

[Darryl Kenyon]

Yes, slamming the door would automatically lock the door, providing the retaining knob on the inside was in the release position.
If the knob is in the retained position, and the door bolt is withdrawn the door would just bang against the door frame and swing open again.

Yes, the retaining knob on the inside must have been in the release position for the door to be locked.
But i am still at a loss as to why the police did not put their hands through the window to unlock the catch if it was as simple as Abberline says.
Maybe i am missing something?