I think I have found him.

[Shaggyrand]

^ How many more months to go before Pierre can lay down his burden and change history? I can barely contain my excitement.

Well... He said something about 12 months to get his last piece of data when he first started posting, right? So... Another 10 1/2 months at a guess. THIS HYPE TRAIN HAS NO BRAKES!!! CHOO! CHOO! Mama Jammas! I'm all a tinge with anticipation.

[Craig H]

Hi Craig,

You don´t need to go back any further on the above papers.

Regards Pierre

Thanks Pierre

[Craig H]

Hello Craig.
You may consider other newspapers. One of his references was the Freemans Journal (Ireland) in reference to the Lord Mayors Show. I have been reading the dailies, and it has a much different perspective, esp. re. Ch. Warren.

Thanks Robert. I'll look for that on the database
All the best.Criag

[Michael W Richards]

Since you folks were talking about the Freemans Journal, from October 5th;

"DEAR BOSS - Since last splendid success two more, and never a squeal. I am master of the art. I am going to be heavy on the gilded ---, some duchess will cut up nicely, and the lace will show nicely. You wonder how? O, we R masters. No education like a butcher's, no animal like a nice woman - the fat is best. On to Brighton for a holiday, but we shant idle. Splendid lotof women there. My mouth waters. Good luck there; if not you will hear from me in West End. My pal will keep on at the East a while yet. When I get a nobility womb I will send it on to C Warren, or p'raps to you for a keepsake. O, it is jolly.

GEORGE O. T. High Rip Gang
Red ink still, but a drop of the real in it. "


Not a letter that is very familiar with many, is this what Pierre has referred to by any chance?

The line "some duchess will cut up nicely, and the lace will show nicely" reminds me of Marys chemise.

[Pierre]

Since you folks were talking about the Freemans Journal, from October 5th;

"DEAR BOSS - Since last splendid success two more, and never a squeal. I am master of the art. I am going to be heavy on the gilded ---, some duchess will cut up nicely, and the lace will show nicely. You wonder how? O, we R masters. No education like a butcher's, no animal like a nice woman - the fat is best. On to Brighton for a holiday, but we shant idle. Splendid lotof women there. My mouth waters. Good luck there; if not you will hear from me in West End. My pal will keep on at the East a while yet. When I get a nobility womb I will send it on to C Warren, or p'raps to you for a keepsake. O, it is jolly.

GEORGE O. T. High Rip Gang
Red ink still, but a drop of the real in it. "


Not a letter that is very familiar with many, is this what Pierre has referred to by any chance?

The line "some duchess will cut up nicely, and the lace will show nicely" reminds me of Marys chemise.

Hi Michael,

No, it isn´t.

Regards Pierre

[Rosella]

There were articles in radical newspapers like the Star as well as letters from socialists at the time though weren't there, to the effect that if Duchesses and other well born ladies had been ripped up in their West End mansions something much more in the way of effort would have been expended to catch the fiend.

Instead, because it was the very poor who were affected, the government didn't care. Not true, but this letter continues the theme. The police and radical press probabably received hundreds of such letters from all over the country.

[Bridewell]

Since you folks were talking about the Freemans Journal, from October 5th;

"DEAR BOSS - Since last splendid success two more, and never a squeal. I am master of the art. I am going to be heavy on the gilded ---, some duchess will cut up nicely, and the lace will show nicely. You wonder how? O, we R masters. No education like a butcher's, no animal like a nice woman - the fat is best. On to Brighton for a holiday, but we shant idle. Splendid lotof women there. My mouth waters. Good luck there; if not you will hear from me in West End. My pal will keep on at the East a while yet. When I get a nobility womb I will send it on to C Warren, or p'raps to you for a keepsake. O, it is jolly.

GEORGE O. T. High Rip Gang
Red ink still, but a drop of the real in it. "


Not a letter that is very familiar with many, is this what Pierre has referred to by any chance?

The line "some duchess will cut up nicely, and the lace will show nicely" reminds me of Marys chemise.

I think, in the East End, any woman would be described as a duchess in the vernacular, and I take the showing of lace to be possibly a reference to intestines. 'Heavy on the gilded' is an interesting reference though.

[Rosella]

This letter refers to hearing about him possibly operating in the West End, though. Also Brighton was a fashionable winter resort for the upper classes in the 19th century.

[SirJohnFalstaff]

There were articles in radical newspapers like the Star as well as letters from socialists at the time though weren't there, to the effect that if Duchesses and other well born ladies had been ripped up in their West End mansions something much more in the way of effort would have been expended to catch the fiend.

Instead, because it was the very poor who were affected, the government didn't care. Not true, but this letter continues the theme. The police and radical press probabably received hundreds of such letters from all over the country.

A jury foreman expressed himself quite clearly about it.


St James Gazette, 18 september, about the Nichols inquest:

"The foreman of the jury said that if a substantial reward had been offered in the first case he believed that the last two murders would never have been perpetrated. Of the matter was put before the Home Secretary, and a large reward was promised, he (the foreman) would willingly give £25. Had the murdered persons belonged to the rich and aristocratic class, a reward would immediately have been offered."

[pinkmoon]

Rocky agree 100%.

I have been wondering the same thing about the "solution ". Particularly given that Pinkmoon started that spoof thread in pub talk.

Whatever is going on is causing great damage to this forum I fear.

For all the rest of you. PLEASE stop playing games.

Regards to all

Not playing games was just a bit concerned that Pierre had found out about grampton I'm pretty certain he hasn't anyway he couldn't he's been to busy chasing barmaids!

[Elamarna]

Dear Pinkmoon

Obviously you don't want to say anything but would it be fair to say that your first mention of Grampton was due to the fact that the list of vague hints given by Pierre and including his comments about motive by that I mean suspect not insane but everything planned, matched many parts of your theory?

Obvious as Pierre's hints helped noone, your confirmation or not of this would similar give nothing away.

As a long time (since 1973) student of the murders I have seen all the theories come and go. I would love to have a clear idea of the murderer but long ago came to the conclusion this was impossible.

If you have found the right suspect I think many would be pleased. However I am concerned that some of your group are calling it "The Solution " this sounds like the claims of the Royals, the diary and Sickert. By that I mean the proponents of these ideas also called their theories " the solution " and or course they were not.

I do hope you will get some peer review, even if private, before proclaiming your group have done it after all these years.



Sincerely the best of luck.

[pinkmoon]

Dear Pinkmoon

Obviously you don't want to say anything but would it be fair to say that your first mention of Grampton was due to the fact that the list of vague hints given by Pierre and including his comments about motive by that I mean suspect not insane but everything planned, matched many parts of your theory?

Obvious as Pierre's hints helped noone, your confirmation or not of this would similar give nothing away.

As a long time (since 1973) student of the murders I have seen all the theories come and go. I would love to have a clear idea of the murderer but long ago came to the conclusion this was impossible.

If you have found the right suspect I think many would be pleased. However I am concerned that some of your group are calling it "The Solution " this sounds like the claims of the Royals, the diary and Sickert. By that I mean the proponents of these ideas also called their theories " the solution " and or course they were not.

I do hope you will get some peer review, even if private, before proclaiming your group have done it after all these years.



Sincerely the best of luck.

All I can offer you is my love and ask for your patience I now know Pierre knows nothing about grampton.

[Pierre]

All I can offer you is my love and ask for your patience I now know Pierre knows nothing about grampton.

I wish you luck too and hope you are right!

Regards Pierre

[Elamarna]

Thank you Pinkmoon

I know you won't comment.
Having looked at all the posts from I presume members of your group I wonder if you have a group of possible suspects at an institution. You are not sure yet which one to name.
I wonder if you are waiting for what normally happens each new year with regards to archived records?
Probably wrong but just an idea? If we didn't like trying to solve historic problems we would not be here would we?

Hope you get what ever it is you are waiting for
Regards

[evertonmarc]

Looking forward to some fresh theories, once they are allowed to spill the beans! (wether it is Pierre or the "Grampton group", or anyone else for that matter).

I find it quite scary that there can be so many compelling theories about who Jack was.
Ok so some of them may have twisted the data slightly or made info "fit" but the fact there are that many suspects is mind boggling!