Did the Seaside Home ID happen?

[Trevor Marriott]

Further? No I use experts in support of my argument by quoting them.

The A to Z is created by three of the worlds experts

Yours Jeff

Yes if you say so.

I have again read page 350 and no where does it say that there were specific files on the names in The MM. The authors infer that there were, but as I said earlier those names may not have been looked upon as suspects but simply persons of interest. So hence no suspect file containing there names.

After all MM did not agree with the Sun and Cutbush, and wrote the names of 4 persons of interest who could have been morel likely to have been the killer than Cutbush. He does not class them as suspects a big difference.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Garry Wroe]

Surely their priority should have been bringing a murderer to justice, not appeasing his family.

It’s about context, John. The Goulston Street message ought to have been preserved by way of photographs but wasn’t. Warren thought its content so incendiary that he ordered the text to be expunged.

The police came in for severe criticism over their handling of the Pizer affair. Not only Pizer but local Jews in general went about in real fear for their personal safety. All I am suggesting is that the Seaside Home identification becomes less problematic when viewed from the perspective that the authorities harboured genuine fears that an explosion of anti-Semitic violence was a realistic possibility. Given that this was certainly the case, it becomes easy to understand why investigators might have wished to organize a covert identification out of reach of the London press at a venue that was amenable to the Kosminski family. The last thing investigators would have wanted was a public accusation from the family relating to police bias against Aaron based on racial or religious grounds. At best this would have placed investigators in a very poor light. At worst it was a situation that could have escalated courtesy of the press and ended up with full-scale anti-Semitic rioting in the East End and beyond.

[Garry Wroe]

We are here in areas of speculation. But as background context we have an unpopular police force since in 1887 Warren turns the groups on crowds in Trafalgar square. There are genuine concerns about recession and the rise of radical anti establishment politics.

Context is everything, Jeff.

[Monty]

It’s about context, John. The Goulston Street message ought to have been preserved by way of photographs but wasn’t. Warren thought its content so incendiary that he ordered the text to be expunged.

The police came in for severe criticism over their handling of the Pizer affair. Not only Pizer but local Jews in general went about in real fear for their personal safety. All I am suggesting is that the Seaside Home identification becomes less problematic when viewed from the perspective that the authorities harboured genuine fears that an explosion of anti-Semitic violence was a realistic possibility. Given that this was certainly the case, it becomes easy to understand why investigators might have wished to organize a covert identification out of reach of the London press at a venue that was amenable to the Kosminski family. The last thing investigators would have wanted was a public accusation from the family relating to police bias against Aaron based on racial or religious grounds. At best this would have placed investigators in a very poor light. At worst it was a situation that could have escalated courtesy of the press and ended up with full-scale anti-Semitic rioting in the East End and beyond.

A piece of wall writing unbeneficial to the investigation V social disorder.

No brainer really.

Monty

[pinkmoon]

I've decided to simplify what would probley have happened if the police wanted to try and I.D an inmate in an asylum who might well be a multiple murderer I've put it into a simple play format.
SENIOR POLICEMAN.."hello we think one of your inmates might have brutally murdererd five women can we arrange to bring a witness to your asylum to see if we can obtain a positive identifacation"
PERSON AT THE ASYLUM...."yes when you coming"
SENIOR POLICEMAN....."we will be arriving as soon as possible thank you"
Now while my creative juices are flowing I've written another play but this time the inmate is suspected of a petty crime so here we go.
SENIOR POLICEMAN....."hello we think one of your inmates stole some spuds from the local market a while ago can we bring the stall holder to your asylum to try and arrange an identification.
PERSON AT THE ASYLUM...."can't really help we are quite busy and its not the sort of thing we can do goodbye"
SENIOR POLICEMAN....."oh well thank you anyway"

[Jeff Leahy]

But you are using them to further your argument !

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

I'm not using anyone to further an argument…

And I'd very much doubt that Begg and Skinner would support my argument

I'm simply saying that in order to investigate the 'FACTS' of ripperology

'One requires a factual road map' as laid out in the A to Z..but also given by a number of greats including Don Rumblow and Stewart Evans..Citing, well 'FACTS'

Obvious;y there are many more up and comings.. But we inhabit a world where expert theorising and opinion matter…

That usually happens else where as the field expands..lots of interesting posts everywhere…'here' is an archaic medium

Yours Jef

[Amanda]

Pinkmoon, you're a star,

Think you got your point across nicely there!

Amanda

[Jeff Leahy]

Context is everything, Jeff.

Its assuring to know that at least one person understands that are talking 'HISTORY' and historical context…

So many people seem to think this is a modern murder inquiry

Its not.

Yours Jef

[Jeff Leahy]

A piece of wall writing unbeneficial to the investigation V social disorder.

No brainer really.

Monty

I think were agreeing here?

But can you be more specific instead of replying like your in a one to one with trevor Marriot? Your not!

THere are people here interest in you observations as you have more incite into 'Police' procedure (Given your receipt book) than many commentators.

Your Jeff

[Jeff Leahy]

Pinkmoon, you're a star,

Think you got your point across nicely there!

Amanda

I'm confused perhaps you can explain what his post added to the conversation?

Jx

[Monty]

I think were agreeing here?

But can you be more specific instead of replying like your in a one to one with trevor Marriot? Your not!

THere are people here interest in you observations as you have more incite into 'Police' procedure (Given your receipt book) than many commentators.

Your Jeff

No, not really Jeff,

However, Arnold would be fully aware of the writings true worth to an investigation, and its potential worth to a conviction. Clearly he weighed the options up, and decided the writing was not as important as its erasure.

Monty


PS And my insight is no greater than anyone elses.

[Jonathan H]

Jeff, you yourself are proposing a conspiracy and cover-up inside the Yard, one that deliberately excluded Macnaghten from knowing about the alleged identification of Kosminski.

What utter hypocrisy for you to decry others for doing the same.

[Wickerman]

Hi Jeff.
The Graffiti contributes nothing to the investigation.

No-one knows who wrote it, nor when it was written. Anyone can 'guess' who or when, but the police need to 'know', because unless the provenance can stand up in a court of law then it is of no value.

The writing style tells us nothing.
The fingers control the characteristics of the letters when writing on paper, this is why we see idiosyncrasies, but in larger letters across a wall it is mostly the wrist that controls the movement.
Handwriting with chalk on a wall does not betray the same idiosyncrasies that writing on paper does, so analysis of the writing would be a waste of time.

The GSG held no value to the investigation.

[Jeff Leahy]

No, not really Jeff,

However, Arnold would be fully aware of the writings true worth to an investigation, and its potential worth to a conviction. Clearly he weighed the options up, and decided the writing was not as important as its erasure.

Monty


PS And my insight is no greater than anyone elses.

Ok , we'll leave it at that.. its just disappointing because sometimes you need to put your self on the line about matters you have more knowledge about than others

Yours Jef

[Jeff Leahy]

Jeff, you yourself are proposing a conspiracy and cover-up inside the Yard, one that deliberately excluded Macnaghten from knowing about the alleged identification of Kosminski.

What utter hypocrisy for you to decry others for doing the same.

No , Ive been absolutely clear I've never proposed a conspiracy

That entails more than one person (Two people) getting together a conspiring to change reality..

I simply believe in the inevitability of **** up

Yours Jeff