Suspect battle: Cross/Lechmere vs. Hutchinson

[Trevor Marriott]

So we cannot try and weigh these matters and think that we will reach some sort of truth about Lechmere. We are stuck with what we know from the Nichols case.

And much of that is inconclusive, and conflicting.

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[Fisherman]

Columbo: Very true. My comments were supposition. What I was offering was a counter point to his actions that were described by Rainbow as that of a cool and calculated killer.

We cannot say that either thing applies. All we can say is that he may have been good and he may have been bad - and that if he was the killer, then he was cool and calculating.

1. He read the newspaper and came forth because it was confirmed Nichols was killed and he felt the necessity to come forth to provide information.

Or he read the newspaper and decided that Paul had put him at risk to be revealed as the killer, and so he decided to try and dissolve that picture. And he did not come forward immediately.
It works both ways.

2. He was never shown at this point to have been violent towards animals, his family or anyone else.

He was never shown at this point not to have been violent towards animals, his family or anyone else. So both ways again. And we can´t tell what applies.

3. No criminal record has come forth as a drunk etc.

A serial killer must not have previous convictions. Many have, but not all. And many crimes go undetected.
Once again, we are at a loss to know.

Doesn't mean a thing of course. Many examples of model citizen serial killers.

Exactly. I can totally see how what we know about Lechmere lends itself to a guess of a straight and nice life. But Armstrong was known as a great guy, Ridgways wife said he was the best man she had met, Gacy was seen as something of a pillar of society and Bundy was much liked.

So we cannot try and weigh these matters and think that we will reach some sort of truth about Lechmere. We are stuck with what we know from the Nichols case.

[Columbo]

Yes, of course he is innocent until proven guilty, I agree very much with that. What I was wondering was what you built your idea on when you said that Lechmere does not fit the serial killing frame. There is a dearth of information about him, and I personally find it impossible to tell what kind of a man he was - plus we know that a very common reaction to revealed serialists is total surprise, since so many of them seem to be very normal, kind of grey men, on the surface of things living commendable lives. It´s a very clever camouflage.

Very true. My comments were supposition. What I was offering was a counter point to his actions that were described by Rainbow as that of a cool and calculated killer.

1. He read the newspaper and came forth because it was confirmed Nichols was killed and he felt the necessity to come forth to provide information.

2. He was never shown at this point to have been violent towards animals, his family or anyone else.

3. No criminal record has come forth as a drunk etc.


Doesn't mean a thing of course. Many examples of model citizen serial killers.

Columbo

[Fisherman]

I only answered Rainbows post. Other then allegedly lying about his name is there evidence to the contrary that he was nothing more then a law abiding citizen? None has been put forth yet. He is innocent until proven guilty and he can never be proven guilty at this point in time.

Columbo

Yes, of course he is innocent until proven guilty, I agree very much with that. What I was wondering was what you built your idea on when you said that Lechmere does not fit the serial killing frame. There is a dearth of information about him, and I personally find it impossible to tell what kind of a man he was - plus we know that a very common reaction to revealed serialists is total surprise, since so many of them seem to be very normal, kind of grey men, on the surface of things living commendable lives. It´s a very clever camouflage.

[Elamarna]

You signed off with this:

"Am I right in thinking the TOD by Phillips is far more in keeping with Lechmere performing the attack?"

And that was what I responded to: Same answer, it depends on where Lechmere was when Chapman was killed.

There are no records of Lechmere´s working hours. We know that he claimed to start work at 4 AM, and so it seems that he worked six days a week, Sundays excepted, starting out at 4 AM.

Of course, that is saying that he more likely than not followed the normal pattern, I admit that.

yes i know I finished with the second question, but you did not answer the first .

No Problem you have now, many thanks for that information.


As a matter of interest, anyone looking at the posts or you and Rainbow can tell in a second or two, you are not the same.

Your command of English, rarely reveals you are not a native English speaker, Rainbow appears very much not to be.



Steve

[Fisherman]

No its not the same answer, I asked if you knew his normal working hours?

You signed off with this:

"Am I right in thinking the TOD by Phillips is far more in keeping with Lechmere performing the attack?"

And that was what I responded to: Same answer, it depends on where Lechmere was when Chapman was killed.

There are no records of Lechmere´s working hours. We know that he claimed to start work at 4 AM, and so it seems that he worked six days a week, Sundays excepted, starting out at 4 AM.

Of course, that is saying that he more likely than not followed the normal pattern, I admit that.

If he started working at 4 Am on the Chapman murder morning, then it dovetails well with Phillips´ suggested TOD. If Lechmere was in Hanbury Street a couple of hours later, then THAT dovetails well with the suggested TOD relating to the triade of Richardson/Long/Cadosh.

So it all hinges on where he was and when.

[Elamarna]

Same answer: That depends on where Lechmere was at the time of Chapmans death.

No its not the same answer, I asked if you knew his normal working hours?

[Rainbow]

One of the biggest signs of weakness, is to attack the authors instead of the ideas..

They want us to swim in a pool of fantasy, where people have wings to fly, and supernatural powers..

fairy tails about some sailors behind the oceans travelling between continents and looking for their victims to eat their organs ... or some mad and fearsom persons that escape all the guardians to be then locked in far asylums and die there slowly... or a man that wears his cap to hide and becomes a shadow or even athletics that kill their victims between matches then go throwing themselves in the deep water... of their fantasy...

[Columbo]

Family men have been serial killers.

Men with steady jobs have been serial killers.

Do we know much more about Charles Lechmere than so? Is this what you work from, or a preconceived notion that he was a law-abiding, good man?

I only answered Rainbows post. Other then allegedly lying about his name is there evidence to the contrary that he was nothing more then a law abiding citizen? None has been put forth yet. He is innocent until proven guilty and he can never be proven guilty at this point in time.

Columbo

[Fisherman]

It was an observation, that's all. I'm sure the admins are capable of doing their own IP checks without my say-so.

Also, the word you're looking for is lose, not loose. If you're going to insult me, at least do it properly.

I´m sorry - what have you got to lose, you sad, sad man?

Better?

You see, I am Swedish, and so I may spell things wrong from time to time. Then again, I have a feeling your Swedish is perhaps not up to scratch.

By the way, if you trust the amdministrators to do their job without your say-so, then why do you feel a need to spread this kind of **** on a public board? If you get it wrong, you have made youself guilty of a very ugly accusation on no grounds at all.

And why is it that you think I am insulting you, when I react to your filthy disinformation implying a very foul behaviour on my account? Does that really put you in a position to whine about being maltreated? Of course I am not insulting you - it was an observation, that´s all: people who do what you just did are sad, sad people.

[Harry D]

Report it to the administrators of the boards, Harry!

Of you are right in implying that we are one and the same, I´ll be kicked off the boards forever.

If you are wrong, you will just be reprimanded, and asked to apologize publically.

What have you got to loose, you sad, sad man?

It was an observation, that's all. I'm sure the admins are capable of doing their own IP checks without my say-so.

Also, the word you're looking for is lose, not loose. If you're going to insult me, at least do it properly.

[Rainbow]

Gut,

He/She gives the impression of not being interested in debate in any meaningful sense of the work.


Steve

Agreed, except for one word 'meaningfull', which has to be Fantasyfull .. Phantomfull .. sense of the work.

A killer who flew in the sky with two wings, while Lechmere was standing there and looking ...

[Fisherman]

Every one law abiding or otherwise, is innocent until proved guilty, and that guilt has to be satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt. Do you think that you have proved Lechmeres guilt beyond a reasonable doubt ?

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A person who is accused of a crime can one day be convicted as baing beyond reasonable doubt guilty, whereas on the next day, he may find himself aquitted.

You may be aware of this, Trevor? That law is not an exact science? Yes?

It therefore applies that "beyond reasonable doubt" is a somewhat flexible term.

Can you follow that reasoning too?

So! What one person considers "reasonable doubt" may be unreasonable doubt to another person.

Can you take that in?

Now we arrive at the point where I will answer your question. And I have answered it before, but you may have missed out on it. Would I convict Lechmere if I was to hold a trial against him myself?

The answer is no, I would not. And of course, given how I have always accepted that there MAY have ben another killer, that is the only reasonable thing to do on my behalf.

I would let him go. But I would still fell very certain that he is the probable killer, I would entertain little doubt about his culpability.

[Trevor Marriott]

Family men have been serial killers.

Men with steady jobs have been serial killers.

Do we know much more about Charles Lechmere than so? Is this what you work from, or a preconceived notion that he was a law-abiding, good man?

Every one law abiding or otherwise, is innocent until proved guilty, and that guilt has to be satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt. Do you think that you have proved Lechmeres guilt beyond a reasonable doubt ?

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[Fisherman]

...although I'm not a huge fan of criminal profiling, Lechmere does not fit the mold of an SK.

Columbo

Family men have been serial killers.

Men with steady jobs have been serial killers.

Do we know much more about Charles Lechmere than so? Is this what you work from, or a preconceived notion that he was a law-abiding, good man?