Suspect battle: Cross/Lechmere vs. Hutchinson

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  • Columbo
    Sergeant
    • Apr 2016
    • 811

    #616
    Originally posted by Rainbow View Post
    In the inquest, Robert Paul said:

    The clothes were disarranged, and I helped to pull them down. Before I did so I detected a slight movement as of breathing, but very faint

    This phrase alone incriminates Lechmere, since the Endotracheal of the victim was recently severed, and still there was a trace of air movement because of the altered pressure of her chest. that means she couldn't have been killed more than a couple of minutes.
    that's a good point but it would've had to have been way before 2 minutes in order for Lechmere to get to the mutilations.

    Of course he also could've detected a post death spasm.

    Columbo

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    • Elamarna
      Commissioner
      • Sep 2014
      • 5807

      #617
      Originally posted by Rainbow View Post
      or to fly in the sky

      after he cut her throat, he went to mutilate her abdomen.
      or maybe you have forgotten about this

      keep running ahead..
      How long do you think that would take? The throat cut and the incomplete mutilations to the abdomen that is

      And what do you base any time you give for this on?


      Steve

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      • Rainbow
        Suspended
        • Jan 2014
        • 284

        #618
        The time between cutting her throat and Paul approaching and examining the woman, and still there was an air movement in her lungs, leave no space for another killer except Lechmere.

        If the bleeding can last for 5 minutes, the air movement in her lungs cannot last that long.

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        • Rainbow
          Suspended
          • Jan 2014
          • 284

          #619
          Lechmere was seen not only standing where the woman was, he was there at the exact time of her death too.

          Case closed.

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          • GUT
            Commissioner
            • Jan 2014
            • 7841

            #620
            Originally posted by Rainbow View Post
            Lechmere was seen not only standing where the woman was, he was there at the exact time of her death too.

            Case closed.
            No he was standing in the middle of the road.

            Not where the body was.
            G U T

            There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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            • Elamarna
              Commissioner
              • Sep 2014
              • 5807

              #621
              Originally posted by GUT View Post
              No he was standing in the middle of the road.

              Not where the body was.
              Gut,

              The problem we have is the Rainbow appears to accept that every statement made in support of Lechmere as the killer is a proven fact, set in stone.

              He/She gives the impression of not being interested in debate in any meaningful sense of the work.


              Steve

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              • GUT
                Commissioner
                • Jan 2014
                • 7841

                #622
                Originally posted by Elamarna View Post
                Gut,

                The problem we have is the Rainbow appears to accept that every statement made in support of Lechmere as the killer is a proven fact, set in stone.

                He/She gives the impression of not being interested in debate in any meaningful sense of the work.


                Steve
                Yeah I've noticed the same.

                And unfortunately some have taken every allegation against him, here, the documentary or elsewhere as gospel, without applying and filter as to reliability of the accusations.
                G U T

                There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                • Fisherman
                  Cadet
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 23676

                  #623
                  Originally posted by Harry D View Post
                  Off-topic: Anyone else find it sketchy how Fisherman & Rainbow appear to come and go at the same time? I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
                  Report it to the administrators of the boards, Harry!

                  Of you are right in implying that we are one and the same, I´ll be kicked off the boards forever.

                  If you are wrong, you will just be reprimanded, and asked to apologize publically.

                  What have you got to loose, you sad, sad man?

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                  • Fisherman
                    Cadet
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 23676

                    #624
                    Originally posted by Elamarna View Post
                    Fisherman

                    Agreed.

                    As the expert on Lechmere normally online, I am sure you have some idea of his normal work hours, or am I wrong in that assumption?

                    Am I right in thinking the TOD by Phillips is far more in keeping with Lechmere performing the attack?

                    steve
                    Same answer: That depends on where Lechmere was at the time of Chapmans death.

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                    • Fisherman
                      Cadet
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 23676

                      #625
                      Originally posted by Columbo View Post

                      ...although I'm not a huge fan of criminal profiling, Lechmere does not fit the mold of an SK.

                      Columbo
                      Family men have been serial killers.

                      Men with steady jobs have been serial killers.

                      Do we know much more about Charles Lechmere than so? Is this what you work from, or a preconceived notion that he was a law-abiding, good man?

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                      • Trevor Marriott
                        Commissioner
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 9486

                        #626
                        Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                        Family men have been serial killers.

                        Men with steady jobs have been serial killers.

                        Do we know much more about Charles Lechmere than so? Is this what you work from, or a preconceived notion that he was a law-abiding, good man?
                        Every one law abiding or otherwise, is innocent until proved guilty, and that guilt has to be satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt. Do you think that you have proved Lechmeres guilt beyond a reasonable doubt ?

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                        • Fisherman
                          Cadet
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 23676

                          #627
                          Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post
                          Every one law abiding or otherwise, is innocent until proved guilty, and that guilt has to be satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt. Do you think that you have proved Lechmeres guilt beyond a reasonable doubt ?

                          www.trevormarriott.co.uk
                          A person who is accused of a crime can one day be convicted as baing beyond reasonable doubt guilty, whereas on the next day, he may find himself aquitted.

                          You may be aware of this, Trevor? That law is not an exact science? Yes?

                          It therefore applies that "beyond reasonable doubt" is a somewhat flexible term.

                          Can you follow that reasoning too?

                          So! What one person considers "reasonable doubt" may be unreasonable doubt to another person.

                          Can you take that in?

                          Now we arrive at the point where I will answer your question. And I have answered it before, but you may have missed out on it. Would I convict Lechmere if I was to hold a trial against him myself?

                          The answer is no, I would not. And of course, given how I have always accepted that there MAY have ben another killer, that is the only reasonable thing to do on my behalf.

                          I would let him go. But I would still fell very certain that he is the probable killer, I would entertain little doubt about his culpability.

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                          • Rainbow
                            Suspended
                            • Jan 2014
                            • 284

                            #628
                            Originally posted by Elamarna View Post
                            Gut,

                            He/She gives the impression of not being interested in debate in any meaningful sense of the work.


                            Steve
                            Agreed, except for one word 'meaningfull', which has to be Fantasyfull .. Phantomfull .. sense of the work.

                            A killer who flew in the sky with two wings, while Lechmere was standing there and looking ...

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                            • Harry D
                              *
                              • May 2014
                              • 3360

                              #629
                              Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                              Report it to the administrators of the boards, Harry!

                              Of you are right in implying that we are one and the same, I´ll be kicked off the boards forever.

                              If you are wrong, you will just be reprimanded, and asked to apologize publically.

                              What have you got to loose, you sad, sad man?
                              It was an observation, that's all. I'm sure the admins are capable of doing their own IP checks without my say-so.

                              Also, the word you're looking for is lose, not loose. If you're going to insult me, at least do it properly.

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                              • Fisherman
                                Cadet
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 23676

                                #630
                                Originally posted by Harry D View Post
                                It was an observation, that's all. I'm sure the admins are capable of doing their own IP checks without my say-so.

                                Also, the word you're looking for is lose, not loose. If you're going to insult me, at least do it properly.
                                I´m sorry - what have you got to lose, you sad, sad man?

                                Better?

                                You see, I am Swedish, and so I may spell things wrong from time to time. Then again, I have a feeling your Swedish is perhaps not up to scratch.

                                By the way, if you trust the amdministrators to do their job without your say-so, then why do you feel a need to spread this kind of **** on a public board? If you get it wrong, you have made youself guilty of a very ugly accusation on no grounds at all.

                                And why is it that you think I am insulting you, when I react to your filthy disinformation implying a very foul behaviour on my account? Does that really put you in a position to whine about being maltreated? Of course I am not insulting you - it was an observation, that´s all: people who do what you just did are sad, sad people.
                                Last edited by Fisherman; 11-06-2016, 07:15 AM.

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