Suspect battle: Cross/Lechmere vs. Hutchinson

[Elamarna]

I think that depends on where the carman was at the time. If you can prove he was elsewhere, then yes, it creates problems.

Fisherman

Agreed.


As the expert on Lechmere normally online, I am sure you have some idea of his normal work hours, or am I wrong in that assumption?

Am I right in thinking the TOD by Phillips is far more in keeping with Lechmere performing the attack?




steve

[Rainbow]

Yesterday morning I was proceeding down Buck's-row, Whitechapel, going towards Brady-street. There was not a soul about

There was not a soul about at this end of the row and whitechapel and Brady street.

[Elamarna]

Yesterday morning I was proceeding down Buck's-row, Whitechapel, going towards Brady-street. There was not a soul about

There was not a soul about at this end of the row and whitechapel and Brady street.

And?

I do not see the point you are trying to make?



Steve

[Rainbow]

So we can limit the time of death/attack to no more than about 30minutes before he finds it. Good.






Yes he was certainly far enough away to not hear an attack.






Yes.





No one heard Eddowes in Mitre Square and night watchman Morris was far closer to the murder spot than Malshaw was to the one in Bucks Row.


this comparison is funny

again we are not talking about just hearing voices here, we are talking about seeing any person, and there were 4 persons guarding around this spot beside Paul



Fits with Neil does. does not pinpoint attack time other than saying he noticed nothing until 3.45.

However would he have noticed anything anyway?
He did not patrol Bucks Row?

There is no place for the phantom killer to escape, this IS the point, unless you want the killer to sleep in buck's row




Again about half hour before Neil.





No if he was not Lechmere he had already gone.

Neil was not there at the same time as Paul and Lechmere, there were several possible means of exit.


see above


Such a comment is pointless. And ignore the facts set out above.


Three of observations are made about the scene some 30 or so minutes before the discovery of the body.

They do however allow us to discard ideas that the body was there for a long time, but they do not narrow the window for attack any more than that.

The night watchmans report can be directly compared to that of Morris in Mitre Square, he heard nothing too.

realy funny

Interestingly it seems Malshaw he did not hear the actual attack or Lechmere and Paul either.

None of that pinpoints the attack time. it certainly does not prove it was Lechmere.




Steve

no place to escape

[Rainbow]

If he could get passed Mizen he could get passed Neil.
Columbo

not after Paul had seen him with the victim.

something many seems not to understand, serial killers have previous ideas what should they do if someone saw them red handed and the things get worse

Lechmere has no place to flee, he has no choice, and he did something that had thought about it before..


not just running like what a casual criminal does

[Elamarna]

Originally Posted by Elamarna View Post
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"No one heard Eddowes in Mitre Square and night watchman Morris was far closer to the murder spot than Malshaw was to the one in Bucks Row."



Rainbow:

"this comparsion is funny"

Why is it funny?

It is accurate.
If Morris had his door open as he often did he would have seen the attack or at least had the opportunity to.





Rainbow:

"again we are not talking about just hearing voices here, we are talking about seeing any person, and there were 4 persons around this spot beside Paul"




None of the police were present later than approx 3.15am.

Why would they see anything which occurred some 20-25 minutes later and which probably took only a few minutes in duration, not the nine you claimed; but failed to explain,

To suggest they would have seen anything when they were not present defies logic.




The nightwatchman did not see Paul or Lechmere; why should he have seen anybody else.


Rainbow:

"There is no place for the phantom killer to escape, this IS the point, unless you want the killer to sleep in buck's row"



Yes there is!

Do Lechmere and Paul pass Neil? or any other Police man until they see Mizen?

No!

Why would a "phantom," as you insist on saying have been seen by Neil given he must have left before Lechmere and Paul.



Elamarna:

"Neil was not there at the same time as Paul and Lechmere, there were several possible means of exit."



Rainbow:

"see above"



See what?

A grossly incorrect statement that he could not pass out of the street,

If one is going to post such things at least check the actual times people were in a place and check a map for the period too.




Steve

[Elamarna]

not after Paul had seen him with the victim.

something many seems not to understand, serial killers have previous ideas what should they do if someone saw them red handed and the things get worse

Lechmere has no place to flee, he has no choice, and he did something that had thought about it before..


not just running like what a casual criminal does

You really cannot comprehend that Lechmore is not proven to be the killer, to not be able to see there are other options means that you are unable to debate in any meaningful way.



steve

[Rainbow]

In the inquest, Robert Paul said:

The clothes were disarranged, and I helped to pull them down. Before I did so I detected a slight movement as of breathing, but very faint

This phrase alone incriminates Lechmere, since the Endotracheal of the victim was recently severed, and still there was a trace of air movement because of the altered pressure of her chest. that means she couldn't have been killed more than a couple of minutes.

[Elamarna]

In the inquest, Robert Paul said:

The clothes were disarranged, and I helped to pull them down. Before he did so I detected a slight movement as of breathing, but very faint

This phrase alone incriminates Lechmere, since the Endotracheal of the the victim was recently severed, and still there was a trace of air movement becaose of the altered pressure of her chest. that means she couldn't have been killed more than a couple of minutes.

He also said she was dead and cold.

Such does no more than say the murder occurred within a few minutes, something I and many others have no problem with.

However that does no mean Lechmere has to be the killer, that is what you refuse to even consider.


regards

[harry]

Paul was at the scene two minutes after the killing,Rainbow?.time enough for a killer to have been a couple of hundred yards ahead,missing both Neil and Mizen.

[Rainbow]

Such does no more than say the murder occurred within a few minutes, something I and many others have no problem with.


regards

No, you are talking about 30 minutes and I am talking about 2 Minutes..

[Rainbow]

Paul was at the scene two minutes after the killing,Rainbow?.time enough for a killer to have been a couple of hundred yards ahead,missing both Neil and Mizen.

or to fly in the sky

after he cut her throat, he went to mutilate her abdomen.
or maybe you have forgotten about this

keep running ahead..

[Columbo]

What a BIG 'if' you have there Columbo...

If Bury was in Buck's row at the time of the murder, then we don't need even his record of violence..


It is clear that you don't understand what serial killers are, you even don't seem to understand what was Jack the Ripper M.O to think Ellen was also like the other victims

Serial killers don't sleep with knives under their heads, don't hit and slap their wives in public and then kill them and go to the police...
!

Hmmm...I'm pretty sure I understand them at least better than yourself. It's seems you're not reading posts with an open mind or at the very least understanding what people are writing. If you did you would understand exactly what I was saying.
There need not be the kind of violent background you mentioned to be a SK that's true, but for most there is usually some sort of brutalization against people or animals early on, and some if not most who were married were sexual deviants with their spouses that ended in divorce. A very general overview of course. None of this can be applied to Lechmere yet And although I'm not a huge fan of criminal profiling, Lechmere does not fit the mold of an SK.

Columbo

[Columbo]

not after Paul had seen him with the victim.

something many seems not to understand, serial killers have previous ideas what should they do if someone saw them red handed and the things get worse

Lechmere has no place to flee, he has no choice, and he did something that had thought about it before..


not just running like what a casual criminal does

I understand that fine but that is a blanket statement about SK'rs that is not true. Serial Killers will do anything to save themselves including running. There are plenty of examples for you to research.

Columbo

[Elamarna]

No, you are talking about 30 minutes and I am talking about 2 Minutes..

No I am certainly not, why do you not read what is written?
That would be asking too much i suppose?

I have said time and time again that I am happy to accept that Lechmere is on site within a minute or two of the attack, because the blood evidence if actuate, that is not the experts opinion, but the reports those opinions are based on, shows it must be so.


Steve