Suspect battle: Cross/Lechmere vs. Hutchinson

[Fisherman]

I took the not a chance to mean you were no longer answering my posts Fisherman. Or was that another one of your twisting's of the truth?

On a general level, I have little or nothing to say to you, but I reserve myself the right to do as I please. Otherwise, we could be faced with a situation where you misinformed and I was unable to correct you, like in the case of the comparison between MacKenzie, Bury and the C5.
Or like when you say that I twist the truth. Compare this, if you will, in your discussion with Henry Flower. Henry first:

"The evidence and arguments about times, routes, statements and lies have been done to death. Clearly, some people find them compelling, others merely interesting, while others seem strangely angered by the very notion that the man found alongside the only Ripper victim who may even have been technically alive at the time of her discovery, and who gave his usually unused alternative name in his testimony, should be considered a person of interest."


...to which you replied:

"I disagree with the anger point. Personally what angers me is the pompous attitude from some Lechmere Theory supporters."

That is a formidably daft answer - you first deny that there is anger involved, and then you say that you are personally angered. Whoops!

Of course, pointing this inconsistency out for what it is will only make me look pompous. Which apparently equates to saying that you are wrong and factually proving it. But there you are.

Now, until you try to spread more disinformation, I will thoroughly enjoy NOT debating with you.

[Fisherman]

But why the gap of over eight months? Completely and utterly atypical of the killer. Unless of course as is common consensus that Alice McKenzie wasn't a Ripper victim.

Since there are no gaps in the recorded murders of Bury (he was only ever accused of one murder), there can be no comparison. What remains is that there are many, many more likenesses between the C5 and MacKenzie than between the C5 and Ellen Bury. And that was what the debate was supposed to be about. You´ve had my contribution.

[John Wheat]

On the combination of the two gentlemen John Wheat and Dusty, all that needs to be said is that one calls the Lechmere theory bullshit and supports that take on bullshit only, whereas the other one claims that I am twisting and distorting the facts, and he does so against a backdrop of being a twister and distorter.

That really does not make for a reassuring companionship, but no doubt, these posters will have a lot to discuss and agree on! I have seen many companionships formed out here on the same type of grounds.

If Dusty thinks it is a good idea to try and peddle his distorsions on this thread, I will gladly pick a few examples from his recent posts that go to show what he stands for.

John Wheat? Not a chance.

I took the not a chance to mean you were no longer answering my posts Fisherman. Or was that another one of your twisting's of the truth?

[John Wheat]

I can take care of part of that debate:

MacKenzie:
Active prostitute - typical
Killed in the open street - typical
Cut neck - typical
Abdomen opened up - typical
Medical view (Phillips) that there were anatomical insights with the killer - typical
Nobody came forward and reported the murder - typical
No effort to hide the victim - typical

Ellen Bury:
No active prostitute - atypical
Not killed in the open street - atypical
No cut neck - atypical
Abdomen opened up - typical
No medical view that there were anatomical insights with the killer - atypical
The killer came forward and reported the murder - atypical
The victim stuffed inside a box - atypical

But why the gap of over eight months? Completely and utterly atypical of the killer. Unless of course as is common consensus that Alice McKenzie wasn't a Ripper victim.

[Fisherman]

Well MacKenzie is not in the C5. It's debatable which murder out of Ellen's and Mackenzie's murder is closer to the C5.

I can take care of part of that debate:

MacKenzie:
Active prostitute - typical
Killed in the open street - typical
Cut neck - typical
Abdomen opened up - typical
Medical view (Phillips) that there were anatomical insights with the killer - typical
Nobody came forward and reported the murder - typical
No effort to hide the victim - typical

Ellen Bury:
No active prostitute - atypical
Not killed in the open street - atypical
No cut neck - atypical
Abdomen opened up - typical
No medical view that there were anatomical insights with the killer - atypical
The killer came forward and reported the murder - atypical
The victim stuffed inside a box - atypical

[Fisherman]

Hello Fisherman,

Spero vi sia piaciuto Milano.


>> I will gladly pick a few examples from his recent posts that go to show what he stands for.<<

Truth, justice and the Australian way.

So do you want me to or not? Not, I take it?

[John Wheat]

by most ?! who are those most ?! do those most know who Jack the ripper was or exactly his MO before they say she is not ?

when one of the two doctors who examinded Mackenzie said it was by the same hand, forthermore , the MO in Mackenzie murder is more as that of Jack than alines murder.....

but I think you know that... you just don't want to admit it

...

Well MacKenzie is not in the C5. It's debatable which murder out of Ellen's and Mackenzie's murder is closer to the C5.

[drstrange169]

Hello Fisherman,

Spero vi sia piaciuto Milano.


>> I will gladly pick a few examples from his recent posts that go to show what he stands for.<<

Truth, justice and the Australian way.

[Rainbow]

No Bury was dead at that point. Mackenzie is regarded by most as not being a Ripper victim.

by most ?! who are those most ?! do those most know who Jack the ripper was or exactly his MO before they say she is not ?

when one of the two doctors who examinded Mackenzie said it was by the same hand, forthermore , the MO in Mackenzie murder is more as that of Jack than alines murder.....

but I think you know that... you just don't want to admit it

...

[John Wheat]

He must have killed Mackenzie then too, hasn't he ?!

No Bury was dead at that point. Mackenzie is regarded by most as not being a Ripper victim.

[Columbo]

One should go to Milan more often - a really nice city. Arriving back, one notes that not much changes. Take this thread, for in stance!

So here´s the revised version:

1. Lechmere is very probably guilty.

2. Lechmere is very probably guilty, but everybody does not have to agree, since any- and everybody is allowed to draw their conclusions on more or less good grounds. People who used to deduce that the world is flat were allowed to think so as long as they had not been proven wrong. The exact same applies here.

3. Lechmere is very probably guilty, if anyone disagrees and give arguments against they are probably not very well read up on the case or they are not weighing the facts in a logical manner.

Fair´s fair.

Glad you had a nice trip! I'm hoping to visit Milan again before I die.

Columb

[Rainbow]

Bury on the other hand killed his wife using JTR M.O. strangulation followed by mutilation.

He must have killed Mackenzie then too, hasn't he ?!

[John Wheat]

On the combination of the two gentlemen John Wheat and Dusty, all that needs to be said is that one calls the Lechmere theory bullshit and supports that take on bullshit only, whereas the other one claims that I am twisting and distorting the facts, and he does so against a backdrop of being a twister and distorter.

That really does not make for a reassuring companionship, but no doubt, these posters will have a lot to discuss and agree on! I have seen many companionships formed out here on the same type of grounds.

If Dusty thinks it is a good idea to try and peddle his distorsions on this thread, I will gladly pick a few examples from his recent posts that go to show what he stands for.

John Wheat? Not a chance.

So you are unwilling to back up what you say is bullshit with examples then? Not surprising.

[John Wheat]

You can't believe that Lechmere killed Nichols and went with Paul looking for a policeman



but you accept Bury as the ripper , although he also went to the police by his own free will to make a story and lie to them...



he he he

No I can't believe Lechmere killed Nichols because there is no actual evidence for it.

Bury on the other hand killed his wife using JTR M.O. strangulation followed by mutilation.

Bury also matches the psyche profiles.

[Fisherman]

On the combination of the two gentlemen John Wheat and Dusty, all that needs to be said is that one calls the Lechmere theory bullshit and supports that take on bullshit only, whereas the other one claims that I am twisting and distorting the facts, and he does so against a backdrop of being a twister and distorter.

That really does not make for a reassuring companionship, but no doubt, these posters will have a lot to discuss and agree on! I have seen many companionships formed out here on the same type of grounds.

If Dusty thinks it is a good idea to try and peddle his distorsions on this thread, I will gladly pick a few examples from his recent posts that go to show what he stands for.

John Wheat? Not a chance.