Suspect battle: Cross/Lechmere vs. Hutchinson

[MrBarnett]

'... was a cart driver at some point.' That pretty well nails it then.

A much better fit than CAL, who was a carman from at least 1870 to 1901. And incidentally was recorded as working for a Railway Agent in 1901. (Remind me, who were the main railway carriers at the time - there was Carter Paterson, and another one - it's on the tip of my tongue... I think it begins with a P...)

I can't wait for the big reveal (probably).

[MrBarnett]

Electoral records for 1888

When less than half males had the vote.

No, electoral register for 1889, compiled in the last quarter of 1888. Charles Lechmere's on it. No wonder you're still at the 'probably' stage.

[DJA]

Reform Act 1832 reminds me of Oz right now.
Travel rorts for the pollies,big corporations paying no tax and Centrelink hell for the poor.

[GUT]

Electoral records should exist to show where they lived.

The identification of the witness at Nichol's inquest is based largely on the address, I would have thought. The Cross/Lechmere name and the occupation add further support to that. The fact that CAL was born in Soho and his mother in Herefordshire make tracing them somewhat easier than the East End norm.

Electoral records for 1888

When less than half males had the vote.

[John Wheat]

Indeed. And it would have been even easier for the police to have knocked at a few more doors in Buck's Row to find out whether they had heard Polly's steel-tipped heels clattering along the cobbles - but they didn't.

That's all irrelevant to my point.

[MrBarnett]

I don't know where they lived in 1888 unfortunately it wasn't a census year, they were nephews and cousins of a Thomas Cross (not yet certain if it was the same Thomas Cross, and as Pickfords records are long gone, as I'm sure you know, I don't know if they worked for Pickfords, at least one was a cart driver at one point.

Electoral records should exist to show where they lived.

The identification of the witness at Nichol's inquest is based largely on the address, I would have thought. The Cross/Lechmere name and the occupation add further support to that. The fact that CAL was born in Soho and his mother in Herefordshire make tracing them somewhat easier than the East End norm.

[GUT]

One who lived in Doveton Street with Charles Lechmere, whose 'stepfather' had been Thomas Cross? And had the same occupation as CAL?

I don't know where they lived in 1888 unfortunately it wasn't a census year, they were nephews and cousins of a Thomas Cross (not yet certain if it was the same Thomas Cross, and as Pickfords records are long gone, as I'm sure you know, I don't know if they worked for Pickfords, at least one was a cart driver at one point.

[MrBarnett]

No, what I am saying is that there could be a Charles (or George) cross that could have been the finder of Polly.

One who lived in Doveton Street with Charles Lechmere, whose 'stepfather' had been Thomas Cross? And had the same occupation as CAL?

[GUT]

GUT,

Are you really suggesting that you have an alternative genealogy for Charles Allen Lechmere? One that you would prefer to do a 'Pierre' on rather than state definitely? Good luck with that, mate.

While you're at it, can you dig up some dirt on the Tomkins brothers in Manchester? It might be 'case solved', if you did.

Gary

No, what I am saying is that there could be a Charles (or George) cross that could have been the finder of Polly.

[MrBarnett]

Yep "at least"

And

"probably"

Mainly because I'm still working on it and won't say definitely till I'm certain, unlike some people who post here.

GUT,

Are you really suggesting that you have an alternative genealogy for Charles Allen Lechmere? One that you would prefer to do a 'Pierre' on rather than state definitely? Good luck with that, mate.

While you're at it, can you dig up some dirt on the Tomkins brothers in Manchester? It might be 'case solved', if you did.

Gary

[GUT]

'At least' 'Probably'?

Presumably all born in Soho - probably?

Yep "at least"

And

"probably"

Mainly because I'm still working on it and won't say definitely till I'm certain, unlike some people who post here.

[MrBarnett]

I've so far traced at least three Charles Crosses that are probably relatives of Lechmere's step father. And near enough in age, how do we know one of them wasn't living with him.

And if so what does that do to the theory?

'At least' 'Probably'?

Presumably all born in Soho - probably?

[MrBarnett]

It was not a false name.Cross was an alternate name he was legally entitled to use.

What on earth does 'legally entitled' mean?

His mother had bigamously married a man named Cross.

[GUT]

I've so far traced at least three Charles Crosses that are probably relatives of Lechmere's step father. And near enough in age, how do we know one of them wasn't living with him.

And if so what does that do to the theory?

Oh a George as well, (you know the name the paper used).

[GUT]

I've so far traced at least three Charles Crosses that are probably relatives of Lechmere's step father. And near enough in age, how do we know one of them wasn't living with him.

And if so what does that do to the theory?