William Grant Grainger and censorship

[Debra A]

Blue, grey or hazel?

Following on from what Curious and Sally were saying:
What colour is this eye?

[Debra A]

That's interesting Debs...I'm sorry if I didn't spot the coincidences of address or description posted here...but I did see no fewer than three English habitual offenders register entries (1902, 1905, 1907) here showing dark brown hair eventually turning grey (balding) which suggests to me that the entries weren't simply copied from one book to another, but freshly penned each time...The two relatively unchanging entries seem to relate to the tattooes and the blue eyes...the tattooes are described slightly differently each time (again indicating these are not simply copied entries) but all three times the eyes are shown as blue.

So if the Irish prison entries equally consistently refer to hazel eyes then we may have a problem...So the question I guess I have to pose is do they?

I honestly thought I put it more pleasantly first time round, but it seems I was wrong, and I freely apologise if that is the case

All the very best

Dave

They are consistently described as hazel in the Irish prison records.
Also- the distinguishing marks are always tumour and sear on neck back of both hands tattooed. Never any more or less detail.
Perhaps it is the Irish records that are copied one from another and an initial mistake carried over?

If not, we are dealing with two men name William Grainger, both of whom used the alias William Grant, both born the same year in Cork, both having lived at Ballyhooly Rd and Cockpit Lane, both of the same height, tattooed, same hair colour, same occupation of sailor and ships fireman, one being in Cork when the other one was believed to be in the same city at the exact same times between 1887-and 1891 when checked out.

[Cogidubnus]

Well, the hazel eyed William/Grant/Green/Grainger was living at 3 different addresses known to be connected to the blue eyed ship's fireman William Grant/Grainger plus there's the other half dozen matches in their descriptions that I mentioned in my post, so obviously mistakes must happen, you know..

That's interesting Debs...I'm sorry if I didn't spot the coincidences of address or description posted here...but I did see no fewer than three English habitual offenders register entries (1902, 1905, 1907) here showing dark brown hair eventually turning grey (balding) which suggests to me that the entries weren't simply copied from one book to another, but freshly penned each time...The two relatively unchanging entries seem to relate to the tattooes and the blue eyes...the tattooes are described slightly differently each time (again indicating these are not simply copied entries) but all three times the eyes are shown as blue.

So if the Irish prison entries equally consistently refer to hazel eyes then we may have a problem...So the question I guess I have to pose is do they?

I honestly thought I put it more pleasantly first time round, but it seems I was wrong, and I freely apologise if that is the case

All the very best

Dave

[Debra A]

Well, the hazel eyed William/Grant/Green/Grainger was living at 3 different addresses known to be connected to the blue eyed ship's fireman William Grant/Grainger plus there's the other half dozen matches in their descriptions that I mentioned in my post, so obviously mistakes must happen, you know..

[Cogidubnus]

I'm sorry if my innocent query has caused such a kefuffle...what made me raise the query was that it was hazel vs blue...if it was grey vs blue or even pale green vs either blue or grey I wouldn't bat an eyelid...a difference in the lighting conditions and you're there - but hazel vs blue seemed odd...even I can tell those apart and I'm partially colour blind...

Either way I certainly didn't intend to impugn (even unwittingly) the quality of Deb's research!

All the best

Dave

[Sally]

I have green eyes, but for some reason in the morning after a night of drinking they're red?!?

Red?!? What could possibly account for that?*

What color is hazel, BTW?

Here 's one definition that should demonstrate how objective 'Hazel' is - 'Eyes which are a mixture of light/golden brown and green and sometimes a little of gray' (Urban Dictionary, although most definitions I've seen are similar)

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[Abby Normal]

The discrepancy could simply be down to error. 'Hazel' is a rather subjective term. My eyes have been called hazel, although technically, they're not. thye've also been called blue on occasion - although again, they're not. Colour can appear to be quite different depending on light conditions.

Eye colour can change, from disease for example.

I have green eyes, but for some reason in the morning after a night of drinking they're red?!?


What color is hazel, BTW?

[curious]

The discrepancy could simply be down to error. 'Hazel' is a rather subjective term. My eyes have been called hazel, although technically, they're not. thye've also been called blue on occasion - although again, they're not. Colour can appear to be quite different depending on light conditions.

Eye colour can change, from disease for example.

Or eye color can sometimes depend on what a person is wearing. Mine have been called hazel and green, but mostly brown.

Or on how closely a person is looking. From a distance, my eyes always look brown, but they have all these interesting flecks in them when checked up close.

curious

[Sally]

Eye colour

The discrepancy could simply be down to error. 'Hazel' is a rather subjective term. My eyes have been called hazel, although technically, they're not. thye've also been called blue on occasion - although again, they're not. Colour can appear to be quite different depending on light conditions.

Eye colour can change, from disease for example.

[Cogidubnus]

I think that's a very sad posting Debs, and I'm sorry to read it...

All the best

Dave

[Debra A]

You have certainly changed, Dave.
And I won't waste another minute or pound on posting research to casebook from now on.

[Cogidubnus]

Hi Debs

Fair enough, but I wasn't aware anybody had either turned or got a feather in their cap.

All the best

Dave

[Debra A]

Nothing except how people can suddenly turn once they get a feather in their cap?

[Cogidubnus]

I'll refrain from the very obvious and unsavoury Burnsian comments Debs and merely ask what 1684 has to do with 1888?

All the best

Dave

[Debra A]

When first my brave Johnie lad came to this town,
He had a blue bonnet that wanted the crown..