our killer been local

[curious4]

On the beat?

Must have been a difficult balancing act!

C4

[Nick Spring]

It is true Nick.

Monty

Hi Monty,

Amazing, many thanks for that.

Best

Nick

[Monty]

Hi Monty,

Is that true about Watkins?

It's interesting we tend to think even today that police integrity should never be questioned.

I would imagine back then quite a few of the force were probably fairly dodgy characters.

cheers

Nick

It is true Nick.

Monty

[Fisherman]

Yes, it was me.

Ah, good - sorted, then!

The best,
Fisherman

[Wickerman]

Thinking about it, the fact that the police went to the trouble of plotting these distances and routes out suggests that they thought that the apron had been deposited immediately after the killer left Mitre Square - with no sloping off to a bolt hole.

It only shows the two most likely alternatives, naturally Foster cannot make allowances for any hypothetical 'bolt-hole'. However, the police could use this obvious consideration to conduct house-to-house searches, if they consider the killer to have laid low for an hour or so.

[Hunter]

...I think too much fuss has been made out of the message over the years[.] I think a lot of people want it to be from our killer so it has to be.

Well, the police at the time sure made a big fuss over it for some reason.

Warren thought at the time that some 'group' - or someone within this group - may be responsible for the murders. And we're not talking masons here... but someone who would cause trouble, nevertheless. He was probably wrong on that count, but it is important, as far as historical analysis is concerned, to consider what was in the minds of the people involved and what was going on at the time. This is something that most overlook for some narrow reason.

Warren was more worried about the reaction this graffiti would cause than the obvious reality (in his mind) that this still might have been written by the killer to stir up trouble beyond the murders themselves. It didn't have to be written in big letters on an entrance that was only two bricks wide. The apron of a murder victim was underneath it!

He had it erased to deny whoever did this the benefit that it might accrue for them - in his mind. He was playing damage control in an already tenuous situation as he perceived it.

You've got to put yourself in their shoes at the time (and understand the time and the people involved) to even understand this.

Yes, the City police considered it as a clue into a murder perpetrated in their jurisdiction. The Met saw it as a fuse to a powder keg that was ready to ignite upon the slightest provocation.

[Lechmere]

Map used at the inquest of Catherine Eddowes (now in the London Hospital Museum) showing two alternative routes from Mitre Square to Goulston Street
The zig zag northern route was measured at 1,530 feet.
The more straighter southern route was measured at 1,660 feet.

Thinking about it, the fact that the police went to the trouble of plotting these distances and routes out suggests that they thought that the apron had been deposited immediately after the killer left Mitre Square - with no sloping off to a bolt hole.

[Scott Nelson]

Maybe it was not Wescott who mailed those mistakes - it could have been some other poster who confused himself with Tom.

Anybody?

Yes, it was me.

[Wickerman]

Why does that apply only if the killer wrote it, Jon? Someone wrote it and, as you say, graffiti is typically broadcast 'loud', not like a whisper.

Since this example was atypical, why are you looking for a typical graffiti artist and rejecting an atypical one?

Love,

Caz
X

Hi Caz.

I think the size is the clue that this message was not intended to draw people to it, but that this message was left by someone as a complaint against Jews.

Have you tried to write a legible message on brick, where the capitals are no more than 3/4" tall?
It hardly seems worth the effort, in fact it would be easier to write it much larger.

[pinkmoon]

Hi Monty,

Is that true about Watkins?

It's interesting we tend to think even today that police integrity should never be questioned.

I would imagine back then quite a few of the force were probably fairly dodgy characters.

cheers

Nick

Hi Nick,I think the most obvious solution to the mystery of the message is that the police missed the piece of apron found it later and it happened to be near some graffiti.I think too much fuss has been made out of the message over the years I think a lot of people want it to be from our killer so it has to be.

[Nick Spring]

Its not your week Tom, as PC Watkins was the one reprimanded for being caught having sex with a woman whilst on his beat, not Harvey.

Monty

Hi Monty,

Is that true about Watkins?

It's interesting we tend to think even today that police integrity should never be questioned.

I would imagine back then quite a few of the force were probably fairly dodgy characters.

cheers

Nick

[curious4]

The piece of cloth

Hello Lechmere,

Don't be cross. (sorry). Not getting at you personally, but it does seem to be a common fallacy on the boards that the piece of cloth was soaked in blood and faeces, whereas in fact the amount of faeces was so small as to be almost unidentifiable. "wet with blood" doesn't necessarily mean soaking wet. The difference being that a small amount of blood and such on the cloth would allow for its being folded/rolled up and stuffed in a pocket/up a sleeve and easily hidden without staining clothes or hands, As Kate was a tiny woman, the piece of apron (old and worn thin) would not necessarily have been very large.

Best wishes,
C4

[Fisherman]

Its not your week Tom, as PC Watkins was the one reprimanded for being caught having sex with a woman whilst on his beat, not Harvey.

Monty

Maybe it was not Wescott who mailed those mistakes - it could have been some other poster who confused himself with Tom.

Anybody?

The best,
Fisherman

[Monty]

Hi Bride,

Then we'll have to dismiss the testimony of many of the coppers involved in the cases as many were reprimanded for drunkenness or other issues such as sleeping with prostitutes while on the job (PC Harvey), and these were BEFORE the murders occurred as well as after.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Its not your week Tom, as PC Watkins was the one reprimanded for being caught having sex with a woman whilst on his beat, not Harvey.

Monty

[Tom_Wescott]

I hope you didn't put that in your book.

You're confusing your Long's with your Halse's

I haven't gotten to my Eddowes' chapter yet. I'm better than that, Wick. But thanks for the correction. At least I didn't confuse Elizabeth Stride with Elizabeth Short...imagine what a funny nickname 'Long Short' would be...but that's the long and short of it.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott