Would a Doctor or a Policeman participate in major crimes such as these?

[Trevor Marriott]

To be fair to Trevor, there might be a reason why he's refusing to answer the question.

From: https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/fraud-act-2006

Fraud by false representation (Section 2)


The defendant:

• made a false representation
• dishonestly
• knowing that the representation was or might be untrue or misleading
• with intent to make a gain for himself or another

We probably can't expect him to make an admission against his own interest, if that were in fact the case. Not that I would expect this to go to trial, or anything. I'm sure the courts have better things to prosecute. But still, I doubt I'd admit to anything that smacked of possible illegality on a public message board. If it were true of course.

I See we are still on the character assassination !!!!!!!!!!! another cheap shot

Let me say that what Jonathan Menges posted is not true and I invite him to provide evidence to support his post

And I know who provided him with this misleading information

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Ally]

I concede to expert opinion.

[Monty]

You can get ten years for that Ally.

Can’t believe Trev is still peddling this theory. It’s older than the bloody case itself.

Monty

[Ally]

Trevor, are you going to continue to hide behind not answering questions about your integrity and reliability Or are you going to respond to Jonathan's question post # 653

Such issues mean that your opinion, in general, is potentially to be treated as highly questionable and unsafe..

Seriously Trevor you cannot avoid answering the questions.

To be fair to Trevor, there might be a reason why he's refusing to answer the question.

From: https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/fraud-act-2006

Fraud by false representation (Section 2)


The defendant:

• made a false representation
• dishonestly
• knowing that the representation was or might be untrue or misleading
• with intent to make a gain for himself or another

We probably can't expect him to make an admission against his own interest, if that were in fact the case. Not that I would expect this to go to trial, or anything. I'm sure the courts have better things to prosecute. But still, I doubt I'd admit to anything that smacked of possible illegality on a public message board. If it were true of course.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Kate was released from custody at around 1.00. Mitre Square was 8 minutes walk away so we can only wonder where she had been until she was probably seen by Lawende and co at around 1.35? But other questions arise when we compare Long’s statement with her known movements?

Alfred Long 254A, Metropolitan Police Force, being sworn saith – “I was on duty in Goulston Street, Whitechapel on the 30th September, about 2.55 AM. I found a portion of a woman’s apron which I produce. There appeared blood stains on it, one portion was wet,”

If she had cast off the apron piece, used as a sanitary towel as claimed by Trevor, she would have done it a 1.08 at the earliest and 1.27 at the latest. This causes us to ask 2 questions. Firstly, how did Long miss it at 2.20? (Not impossible imo) And secondly, how could a piece of cloth stay wet in one area between 1 hour and 28 minutes and 1 hour and 45 minutes later?

[Elamarna]

Just in case you missed post #653, Trevor.

Trevor,
A question.
Is it true that, rather than being a “Retired Murder Squad Detective” -as you’ve promoted yourself for years- you actually resigned from the Bedfordshire Police Department after being caught abusing your sick days in order to provide adult entertainment at hen parties?

JM

[Elamarna]

Trevor, are you going to continue to hide behind not answering questions about your integrity and reliability Or are you going to respond to Jonathan's question post # 653

Such issues mean that your opinion, in general, is potentially to be treated as highly questionable and unsafe..

Seriously Trevor you cannot avoid answering the questions.

[Herlock Sholmes]

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Originally posted by Elamarna

Let's be clear here Trevor , earlier in this thread you claimed the expert had said 12 was excessive. You were very clear about that, you cited the expert over and over again, claiming that those who told you 12 was not excessive were arguing against not you, but the Expert!

However, you now admit in the above post he never did say that and accept he couldn't have made such a claim.

You misrepresented what you had been told, possibly damaging the reputation of that expert, just to bolster your claim.

That is despicable.

No I never said that, what I said was that the 12 rags were never mentioned to the expert for him to opine on as the issue discussed was the vicitms possible menstrual cycle and the apron
piece.

~~~~~

Post #178 …….by you.

“12 would be excessive for anyone even back then in the Victorian days, especially a female who was malnourished and may not have had a full menstrual cycle, and in case you are inquisitive as to how I know this it has come from a consultant gynaecologist so your sarcastic comment and the attempt at humour has fallen on Stoney ground

Perhaps that was a different Trevor Marriott?

[Trevor Marriott]

Let's be clear here Trevor , earlier in this thread you claimed the expert had said 12 was excessive. You were very clear about that, you cited the expert over and over again, claiming that those who told you 12 was not excessive were arguing against not you, but the Expert!

However, you now admit in the above post he never did say that and accept he couldn't have made such a claim.

You misrepresented what you had been told, possibly damaging the reputation of that expert, just to bolster your claim.

That is despicable.

No I never said that, what I said was that the 12 rags were never mentioned to the expert for him to opine on as the issue discussed was the vicitms possible menstrual cycle and the apron piece.

This unfortunately is a common problem with people who don't actually understand what the expert is saying. You are not the first to misunderstand and misrepresent what you have been told by said experts.

I fully understood what the experts were saying as I met each one in person and took down their statements verbatim

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[Elamarna]

well, I am happy with what the experts have stated, and the purpose of consulting experts is to prove or disprove not just that part but the removal of the organs allegedly taken by the killer.

I think you are trying too hard to water down the expert's opinions, why would an expert opine on whether 12 towels would be an excessive amount it's irrelevant especially as he was asked only asked to opine on the piece that was spotted with blood which is what we are discussing here. For an expert 130 years later it is an impossible question to answer

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Let's be clear here Trevor , earlier in this thread you claimed the expert had said 12 was excessive. You were very clear about that, you cited the expert over and over again, claiming that those who told you 12 was not excessive were arguing against not you, but the Expert!

However, you now admit in the above post he never did say that and accept he couldn't have made such a claim.

You misrepresented what you had been told, possibly damaging the reputation of that expert, just to bolster your claim.

That is despicable.



I am also not trying very hard at all to water down the views of the expert. There is no need to, those views as posted by you, do not add any significant weight to you theory, in fact I would go so far as to say they add NO weight at all to your claim the apron portion was used as a sanitary towel.

This unfortunately is a common problem with people who don't actually understand what the expert is saying. You are not the first to misunderstand and misrepresent what you have been told by said experts.

[Ally]

12 would be excessive for anyone even back then in the Victorian days, especially a female who was malnourished and may not have had a full menstrual cycle, and in case you are inquisitive as to how I know this it has come from a consultant gynaecologist so your sarcastic comment and the attempt at humour has fallen on Stoney ground

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Let's everyone just ignore that we've been arguing for 30 freaking pages because Trevor said that above, and now he says this below:

why would an expert opine on whether 12 towels would be an excessive amount it's irrelevant especially as he was asked only asked to opine on the piece that was spotted with blood which is what we are discussing here. For an expert 130 years later it is an impossible question to answer

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

This is the ace investigator folks, who can't even keep track of his own arguments for two weeks and contradicts himself.


And Trevor, since you claim you have nothing to hide, How about you answer Jonathan's question?

[Trevor Marriott]

Thank you. We can now attempt to do as you did with Scoble.

That quote I have to say does not say what you clearly claim it does.

It talks of general possibilities , and in a very non specific way.
In many ways it's as non committal as the comments of Payne-James, on bleeding.

There is nothing in that quote to say that 12 is an excessive amount of towels. Nor is there any acknowledgement that individual women are all very different.

You are reading far more into that quote than it says.

well, I am happy with what the experts have stated, and the purpose of consulting experts is to prove or disprove not just that part but the removal of the organs allegedly taken by the killer.

I think you are trying too hard to water down the expert's opinions, why would an expert opine on whether 12 towels would be an excessive amount it's irrelevant especially as he was asked only asked to opine on the piece that was spotted with blood which is what we are discussing here. For an expert 130 years later it is an impossible question to answer

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Elamarna]

I have nothing to hide

Ed Neale was appointed Consultant Obstetrician and Gynaecologist at Bedford Hospital NHS Trust in June 1992. He qualified in London then undertook postgraduate training on the on the Leicester and Notingham rotations. He then spent two years as a visiting lecturer to the Chinese University of Hong Kong, before returning to Leicester as a Senior registrar. Since his appointment in Bedford he has been speciality and clinical tutor, clinical and divisional director and has now been Medical Director since December 2005.

In addition to general obstetrics and gynaecology, Ed has a particular interest in urogynaecology. He set up the service in Bedford in 1993 and chairs a group which has developed county-wide protocols for the management of urinary and faecal incontinence.

He is quoted in my book "In respect of the piece of the apron and whether it was used as a sanitary towel or not, it is quite possible that even in Victorian times women in their late forties would still be menstruating and may well have used a piece of rag as a sanitary towel. Blood spotting is a part of the female menstrual cycle!

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Thank you. We can now attempt to do as you did with Scoble.

That quote I have to say does not say what you clearly claim it does.

It talks of general possibilities , and in a very non specific way.
In many ways it's as non committal as the comments of Payne-James, on bleeding.

There is nothing in that quote to say that 12 is an excessive amount of towels. Nor is there any acknowledgement that individual women are all very different.

You are reading far more into that quote than it says.

[Trevor Marriott]

I’m not questioning his knowledge. According to you he said ‘might have.’ That’s not anything like a certainty. So why do you use it as one?

Also, why is it that you talk of ‘some reports’ when you keep telling us that we shouldn’t seek to rely on newspaper reports. Another example of you applying one set of criteria’s for yourself but demanding another for others.

You also asked why there was only blood on one side but no one claimed this. Why?

If she had been using it as suggested then it would have obviously been between her legs transferring blood and traces of faecal matter to only one side of the apron piece which is how the apron piece was described

You also claimed that the abdomen would have been filled with blood contrary to what Dr. Brown said. Why?

Another expert Phillip Harrison who is also quoted in my book stated ". The liver was stabbed and almost cut through; this would have undoubtedly let a lot of blood into the abdominal cavity. A newly deceased does not bleed in the normal sense of the word but there is a lot of seepage of blood from the tissues and organs.
This makes it even more difficult to remove organs carefully. Standard post-mortem procedures involve wearing gloves that give more of a grip when dealing with blood and body fluids. It would have been difficult for a person to grip warm and very messy organs to remove them carefully so soon after death.

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[Trevor Marriott]

Are you going to Answer post #651?

In case you missed it here it is again.

I have nothing to hide

Ed Neale was appointed Consultant Obstetrician and Gynaecologist at Bedford Hospital NHS Trust in June 1992. He qualified in London then undertook postgraduate training on the on the Leicester and Notingham rotations. He then spent two years as a visiting lecturer to the Chinese University of Hong Kong, before returning to Leicester as a Senior registrar. Since his appointment in Bedford he has been speciality and clinical tutor, clinical and divisional director and has now been Medical Director since December 2005.

In addition to general obstetrics and gynaecology, Ed has a particular interest in urogynaecology. He set up the service in Bedford in 1993 and chairs a group which has developed county-wide protocols for the management of urinary and faecal incontinence.

He is quoted in my book "In respect of the piece of the apron and whether it was used as a sanitary towel or not, it is quite possible that even in Victorian times women in their late forties would still be menstruating and may well have used a piece of rag as a sanitary towel. Blood spotting is a part of the female menstrual cycle!

www.trevormarriott.co.uk