Have Ripperologists Been Polled As To Who They Think Jack Really Was?

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  • lynn cates
    Commisioner
    • Aug 2009
    • 13841

    #226
    dodgy

    Hello Malcolm.

    "You ask anybody that matters and the C5 holds firm, the only dodgy murders are the other lot, the Coles and Mackenzies/ torsos."

    Well, on behalf of those who DON'T matter, I find this whole business rather dodgy. (heh-heh)

    Cheers.
    LC

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    • lynn cates
      Commisioner
      • Aug 2009
      • 13841

      #227
      nosy

      Hello David. Oops, almost missed you.

      Well, you are a man who understands symbolism. I have posted elsewhere a story about some who mutilated the face--in particular, the nose and ears.

      The reason? "You put your nose where it did not belong."

      Cheers.
      LC

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      • lynn cates
        Commisioner
        • Aug 2009
        • 13841

        #228
        sundry

        Hello Malcolm.

        "Eddowes was the first to have her face mutilated and thus can not be copycat of anyone."

        Similarly, Annie was the first to evince organ removal.

        "MJK is a hideous mess for one obvious reason only..... only one...... he did not have nearly enough time to mutilate Eddowes like he wanted to, he only had about 5 mins....so he only quickly toyed with her."

        But why not invite her back to your place? Plenty of time then.

        "the 2nd lesser reason, MJK is an escalation in horror/ perversion, that's all."

        So was Eddowes--if by the same hand. And Liz a DE-ESCALATION--if by the same hand.

        "he knew this was going to happen next time"

        Prescient, eh? But could he predict the cup final? (heh-heh)

        Cheers.
        LC

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        • caz
          Premium Member
          • Feb 2008
          • 10622

          #229
          Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
          Hello Caroline. Frankly, I think MJK would have looked about the same, C1-C4 notwithstanding.
          Frankly, Lynn, I would not like to think of you spending too much of the rest of your life trying to support that one.

          This is my London we are talking about, at a time when all four of my grandparents were growing up. It's really not very far back in time, and society's criminal elements did not behave so very differently from how they behave today. Countless serial murder victims since the late 1880s have shown the Whitechapel prostitute killings, sadly, to be a long long way from unique.

          I simply don't understand the recent trend for seeing this particularly sordid series as something else completely - something that would be truly unique in the long history of criminal behaviour. That makes it fiction, unless you can demonstrate why it's not.

          Love,

          Caz
          X
          "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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          • Hunter
            Chief Inspector
            • Dec 2009
            • 1745

            #230
            As soon as someone latches on to a suspect, they seem to spend the rest of their days trying to fit a square peg into a round hole; adding or deleting certain victims to make a fit; dismissing or distorting certain evidence and rationalizing less plausible theories as a solution.

            Unsolved mysteries are natural breeding grounds for such and this one is at the top of the list. But, admittedly, it would have, long ago, faded from memory if that was not the case. That is the essence of Ripperology. The more mundane study from a strictly historical perspective is not sensational enough and garners little attention or prestige for that type of researcher outside of a small group of people of the same ilk.
            Best Wishes,
            Hunter
            ____________________________________________

            When evidence is not to be had, theories abound. Even the most plausible of them do not carry conviction- London Times Nov. 10.1888

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            • lynn cates
              Commisioner
              • Aug 2009
              • 13841

              #231
              math

              Hello Caroline.

              "I simply don't understand the recent trend for seeing this particularly sordid series as something else completely - something that would be truly unique in the long history of criminal behaviour.'

              I think it's simply that the last 3 killings do not add up.

              "That makes it fiction, unless you can demonstrate why it's not."

              Sadly, I think everything from the "Double Event" on is simply that.

              Here's to all our further research.

              Cheers.
              LC

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              • DVV
                Suspended
                • Apr 2008
                • 6014

                #232
                Originally posted by Malcolm X View Post
                5 points to a pentagon, 5 murders and no more....maybe and maybe he died before he was about to kill again, or maybe he did kill another 5 and simply hid the bodies
                Houlà !
                Better have a single malt...

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                • Wickerman
                  Commissioner
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 14899

                  #233
                  Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                  Well, you are a man who understands symbolism. I have posted elsewhere a story about some who mutilated the face--in particular, the nose and ears.

                  The reason? "You put your nose where it did not belong."

                  Hmm, now that interpretation suggests to me that, you think that, the killer thought that, his victim thought that, she knew who he was.

                  Yes, No?

                  Jon
                  Regards, Jon S.

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                  • lynn cates
                    Commisioner
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 13841

                    #234
                    blackmail?

                    Hello Jon. Well, if you are referring to the possibility of blackmail or such, you think correctly. She also may have acquired information inadvertently. Politics may also have played a part.

                    Besides being a flagrant aping of Chapman's slaying, this might lend a new dimension regarding Kate's belongings being rifled.

                    As they say, research is ongoing.

                    Cheers.
                    LC

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                    • DVV
                      Suspended
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 6014

                      #235
                      Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                      Hello Jon. Well, if you are referring to the possibility of blackmail or such, you think correctly. She also may have acquired information inadvertently. Politics may also have played a part.

                      Besides being a flagrant aping of Chapman's slaying, this might lend a new dimension regarding Kate's belongings being rifled.

                      As they say, research is ongoing.

                      Cheers.
                      LC
                      Hi Lynn, when will the whole theory be exposed ?

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                      • lynn cates
                        Commisioner
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 13841

                        #236
                        essay

                        Hello David. Thanks.

                        Working on an essay about Isenschmid even now.

                        Cheers.
                        LC

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                        • GregBaron
                          Sergeant
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 826

                          #237
                          Incongruous deduction...

                          Hi all,

                          I have great respect for the 2.1.1.1. reductionists.

                          But I struggle with accepting MJK as the victim of a boyfriend, overkill copycat or Fenian hit-man. The leisurely atrocity that occurred in that squalid room screams to me unfettered lust murderer. Just sayin...


                          Greg

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                          • lynn cates
                            Commisioner
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 13841

                            #238
                            luxuria

                            Hello Greg. That's fine.

                            Can you tell me which previous "lust murder" I should look at in order to compare? I am always ready to research a new angle, given its plausibility.

                            Cheers.
                            LC

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                            • GregBaron
                              Sergeant
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 826

                              #239
                              Previous...

                              Can you tell me which previous "lust murder" I should look at in order to compare? I am always ready to research a new angle, given its plausibility.
                              I'm afraid the obvious answer is Eddowes Lynn.



                              Greg

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                              • lynn cates
                                Commisioner
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 13841

                                #240
                                inductive regress

                                Hello Greg. And the obvious follow up is, Which "lust murder" preceded her?--for comparison purposes, of course.

                                Cheers.
                                LC

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