Have Ripperologists Been Polled As To Who They Think Jack Really Was?

[Malcolm X]

Hello Malcolm. Well, you may discuss anytime. More than delighted to have a meaningful exchange--as your posts certainly are.

Regarding copycats: in my view, the TRUE copycat killing was Kate. (Too much alliteration? heh-heh)

I note what you say, but consider this. Of all the letters that came pouring in to the police and news agencies in the autumn of terror, how many are today taken as possibly authentic? 3 at most? But how many were inspired by one of those three?

See what I mean?

Cheers.
LC

well yes, somebody was definitely pretending to be JTR, as is the case with all big serial killer outbreaks, just look at Sutcliffe, in fact he also had a copycat, because these other murders Sutcliffe refused to take responsibility for, these were further south and about another 3 or 4 murders, if my memory servs me right.

but i dont think that you have much mileage in EDDOWES, but i do like the way you think, after all, LA DE DA could quite easily be somebody like Druitt etc, simply because there are many Brits that look like G.Chapman and many Europeans that look English too.

i keep thinking of G.Chapman, i always have, he came this close to slitting his wife's throat and turning her into a torso.... this close, but he was older and wiser and something stopped him, that a few years earlier wouldn't have.

and now we have A. CHAPMAN, who definitely looks like an older version of him.... much older, even so, he definitely does not look like JOE BARNETT, FLEMMING, OR GH.

from the back view G.Chapman has a gaunt/ bony and slightly potholed face, this puts years on you, especially with the moustache and dark sunken eyes........uuum ! not sure

you tell me.... he was described too well, decided to downgrade, decided to leave to be perfectly safe, WAITED AND RETURNED, changed M.O and poisoned instead...... i'm not sure, but he's highly suspicious.

he's a hairdressor/ a very junior surgeon, is he also a master of disguise and theatrical make up, because we definitely know that he's a LA DE DA dressor, is he the Lawende man in disguise, because i tell you that he could quite easily be.

this G.Chapman is just like Jeckyl and Hyde, unfortunately many here just dont realise this....anyway i'll talk soon i've got to go now.

[lynn cates]

mutilations, etc

Hello Tom. Quite agree that it would take a "special" person both to kill AND mutilate women. Don't quite see why 3 would border on the absurd, though.

The Ripper Community, as a whole, have put forward a good 2 dozen chaps whom are thought capable of such.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

A-man

Hello Malcolm. Look at the drawing and description of Frank Millen. Ringer for A-man.

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

Yes but none of this will identify JTR, because the only person that cant be JTR is someone on crutches, any member of the public is capable of doing this, he only needs a bit of common sense and a couple of medical books at home to tell him where the organs are situated.

it wouldn't be hard to realise that to access the kidneys/ other organs etc, that you need a long vertical cut, to remove the guts and then from what you've seen in a book, simply hunt for them, this would take no more than 3 mins, finally, it's bloody obvious that you need a long sharp knife, plus you need to cut the victims throat first or to strangle her instead, any idiot will know this.

but what sort of moron has a strong enough stomach to handle this repulsive deed and why is he removing organs, because this i dont think is a trophy, he's removing these for another reason, this type of monster is rare and i dont think that you'd have two of these in action at the same time in Whitechapel.

finally, why is a woman hater etc mutilating carefully, no he would attack her like Sutcliffe....SORRY NO, JTR is after something else and doing this for another reason, he's interested in organs only and ritualistically cutting up and marking his victims too

you can see that JTR is not attacking them in a violent rage, again i say, he's after something and while he's at it, he's also toying with his knife

Hi malcom

finally, why is a woman hater etc mutilating carefully, no he would attack her like Sutcliffe....SORRY NO, JTR is after something else and doing this for another reason, he's interested in organs only and ritualistically cutting up and marking his victims too

you can see that JTR is not attacking them in a violent rage, again i say, he's after something and while he's at it, he's also toying with his knife[/QUOTE


This reminded me of BTK who when apprehended said something along the lines of "its all about the rope". As in the actual rope or whatever he used to strangle his victims with was just as much a factor in his "pleasure" as the act itself. he used to take pictures of himself bound up. I think we have a similar situation with JtR-it was all about the knife and what he could do with it. The organ removal prolonged his sensation of what he could do with his knife.

I agree i dont think he showed signs in his murders of rage, or women hating, or wanting to torture. This is someone who was fascinated by what his knife could do and who "got off on" using it.

[GregBaron]

Ou est Monsieur?

Hello Malcolm. Look at the drawing and description of Frank Millen. Ringer for A-man.

Sorry to be ignorant Lynn, but can you point me to said drawing........?



Greg

[lynn cates]

aqui

Hello Greg. Here. Post #430.

Cheers.
LC

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?p=179643&highlight=harp#post179643

[GregBaron]

Blotchy changed clothes?

Thanks Lynn.

It appears they combined Blotchy and Astro-Man into one dude. Now that certainly is food for thought........



Greg

[lynn cates]

blotchiness

Hello Greg. Thanks.

"It appears they combined Blotchy and Astro-Man into one dude."

Possibly. Except Blotchy had a lighter moustache. His description tallies with Red Jim McDermott's.

They could both be blotchy faced. After all, their line of work paid exceedingly well and afforded much good food and drink.

Cheers.
LC

[Scott Nelson]

OK, so we have Isenschmid killing Tabram, Nichols and Chapman. Le Grand killing Stride and McDermott killing Kelly. So who killed Eddowes?

[DVV]

And who killed Bambi ?

[lynn cates]

etc

Hello Scott. Is this for me?

Not so sure that JI killed Tabram. Is it established that he carried a penknife?

Don't think Le Grand killed Stride. Might have killed Eddowes.

McDermott? Doubt he killed anyone. But he and Millen had both worked for Sir Ed and, after he was sacked, Gosselin retained some members of his former chief's crew.

Do I think Millen was A-man? Yup. McDermott, Blotchy? Yup. But why would EITHER be regarded MJK's killer?

Cheers.
LC

[Scott Nelson]

Hello, hello, hello....

You tell me.

[lynn cates]

reasons

Hello Scott. I can think of no reason. Seeing X with Y on the day of Y's death is no reason to assume X KILLED Y.

I am HEARTILY interested in both Millen and McDermott vis-a-vis "MJK"--not, however, as the knife wielder.

Cheers.
LC

[The Grave Maurice]

And who killed Bambi ?

No one. As I recall, it was Bambi's mum who got done in.

[mariab]

The idea that three men were behind these murders must border on the absurd.

The Ripper Community, as a whole, have put forward a good 2 dozen chaps whom are thought capable of such.

Oh, come on Lynn, and how many (how few) of them are legit?
(Still, I know what you're gonna answer: “More than 3“.)

OK, so we have Isenschmid killing Tabram, Nichols and Chapman. Le Grand killing Stride and McDermott killing Kelly.So who killed Eddowes?

Same guy who killed Stride. :-)


Originally Posted by DVV
And who killed Bambi?

No one. As I recall, it was Bambi's mum who got done in.

I'm tempted to say, Hunter might have.