Have Ripperologists Been Polled As To Who They Think Jack Really Was?

[Monty]

Hi Monty,

Why does my not subscribing to your understanding of the "facts and reality of the situation" make me a fantasist or a conspiracist?

Blimey, five hundred years ago in your home village you'd probably have had me burned as a heretic.

Last time I managed a glance at my fundamental orifice I had no followers. You misread what's happening. Quite independently, people are starting to challenge almost a century-and-a-quarter of misconceptions, wishful thinking and various piles of old horsefeathers.

But still I raise my Yuletide glass of egg nog to you. Here's to next year.

Regards,

Simon

Hi Simon,

Come on now, I've been around a bit. I've seen you excellent contribution to the field (re Knight) and I've seen how you've operated.

Some may be blinking open eyed, I do not.

For the sake of the thread I think it best to walk away from each other on this one and acknowledge we just won't agree. M

Monty

[Phil Carter]

Good point, Phil though I still believe one man was responsible for the C5 and possibly Tabram. Would you mind if I PM'd you on a non-ripper matter?

Best wishes,
Steve.

Hello Steve,

No problem. Thank you for asking.

Best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Why does my not subscribing to your understanding of the "facts and reality of the situation" make me a fantasist or a conspiracist?...

Quite independently, people are starting to challenge almost a century-and-a-quarter of misconceptions, wishful thinking and various piles of old horsefeathers.


Regards,

Simon

Hello Simon,

Exactly, Quite independantly.
Blimey, because I agree with you I am in danger of being labelled a 'follower'..

Cries of ' he's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy'...

Cue Lynn Cates, Python fan.

Best wishes

Phil

[Steelysama]

Hello Neil. Actually, Steely has William pretty well translated into proper English. First poster I've seen who has done Ockham and not the Principle of Parsimony.

Bet he had a philosophy class at university.

Cheers.
LC

Thank you, Lynn Actually, yes, I have had philosophy classes in University. In this case, I actually looked it up in the much-fabled Wikipedia because I wanted to make sure I had it right. Haha.

In re: PM conversation...I would like to do that. Although, today I am pretty busy with studying for my CompTIA Security+ certification exam. (Somewhere along the line I went from a Poli Sci major with a minor in Philosophy to being a Computer Security major. Go figure.)

[Robert]

This bloke with the razor....was he around in 1888?

[lynn cates]

How shall we bugger off, lord?

Hello Phil. I say he IS the Messiah and I should know--I've followed a few.

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

Don't let Trevor know Lynn, he'd get jealous.

Monty

[lynn cates]

polling

Hello Steely. Well, I'm astonished THEY got it right.

By the way, many go from philosophy to some form of IT--one must get a living.

Sure, whenever you are ready, I'll be delighted to discuss the case/s. And no browbeating on my part. Just honest opinion.

Will that count as a poll about JTR? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

cast off the shoe, follow the gourd

Hello Neil. Well, I forget. Is he with the shoe party or the gourd one?

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

The spice rack one.

Monty

[Trevor Marriott]

Don't let Trevor know Lynn, he'd get jealous.

Monty

I am quite happy to share my crown

[Adam Went]

Simon:

While I certainly lend credence to the possibility that not all of the 5 canonicals were killed by the same hand, there is strong evidence to indicate that at least 3 of them were.....to suggest that each victim belonged to an individual killer would mean not only was their two murderers stalking the streets within easy walking distance of one another on the night of September 29/30, but also that we have 5 seperate killers for the canonicals, another for Martha Tabram, presumably another for Alice Mackenzie, Rose Mylett, Frances Coles, Emma Smith, etc etc etc until the number of killers is in double figures. I'm not sure what the statistical likelihood of this being the case is, but an educated guess would tell me that it's not that likely - and on statistics alone (which, for the record, I don't like very much) the more killers there are, the more likely it is that the police will stumble across him, her or them by accident or design.

Trevor:

It's not difficult to understand why the killer was referred to only as "The Whitechapel Murderer" or similar within police circles - for starters, Jack the Ripper was a dramatic moniker which we can be almost certain never originated with the killer himself but with a shrewd pressman or individual who knew how to stir the pot, and it worked within the public. The police were about facts (or were supposed to be anyway), not press inventions and sensationalism. Besides, it's not as if the press and the police were exactly having a love affair with each other in 1888 - or in any time throughout history for that matter, they've always been one another's best friend and worst enemy at the same time.

Nonetheless it's a different idea, and I like different thinking. In small doses.

Cheers,
Adam.

[Malcolm X]

the last 3 look like one bloke yes, but all the others including the torsos could belong to the same bloke or another two, so we're in a right mess aren't we!

Tabram looks like two inexperienced street killers, this could be any two, but it could also be PIPEMAN and Broadshoulders together, we just dont know

JTR didn't mutilate Stride, so he could also have killed Coles and Mackenzie too, because this shows that his M.O/SIG is not fixed as a mutilator only, his interest in women could also mean that he was responsible for the torsos too, but i tend to doubt it, simply because this means that he's too busy doing this that and the other.

it looks like too many murders for one bloke to handle on his own, so i'm guessing that there's at least one more killer on the loose

[lynn cates]

Beadmore

Hello Malcolm. Out of curiosity, why must the "two killers" be on the loose? Why not one crazed killer/mutilator and a copy cat?

Are you familiar with the Beadmore case? It occurred during the autumn of terror, but outside London. A girl was killed and subsequently mutilated--the latter to deflect blame and implicate JTR.

Why could not Kate be the same type of thing?

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Adam,

" . . . the more killers there are, the more likely it is that the police will stumble across him, her or them by accident or design."

Between January and December 1888, twelve women in East London died from knife attacks by unknown perpetrators.

That's twelve unsolved murders. Johnny Rozzer wasn't having much luck.

What made the C5 so special?

Regards,

Simon