Have Ripperologists Been Polled As To Who They Think Jack Really Was?

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

it was Churchill that said of Stanley Baldwin

" he occasionally stumbled across the truth but hastily picked himself up as if nothing had happened"

Sums up the flat earthists in this genre perfectly.

Best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Hello Monty,

Cant handle your erudite and charming words eh?

A Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too.

Hereby dealt with in line above.


Phil

[Monty]

Wow, another cute quote.

You talk too much Phil.

And the same to you, with bells on.

Monty

[Steelysama]

There seems to be some barbs going back and forth. I am not going to be involved in that. It seems unproductive.

So...could the Whitechapel Murders have been committed by some number of murderers, ranging between two and five, who would be only loosely related to each other if at all?

It is within the realm of possibility and, since we have no truly clear suspect, I cannot offer a firm refutation in that manner. I do not *know*, as well as a person could know, that there was only one murderer.

That being said, I do find the suggestion that there was no single murderer to be somewhat unlikely. The reason for this is that the Whitechapel Murders were a string of similar murders, seeming to form a crescendo of violent brutality which reached its most brutal point with the atrocity suffered by Mary Jane Kelly. I have never seen any indication that murders of this kind were at all common either before or after the "Autumn of Terror".

So I guess my question is this: Why would these murders, being so similar, be perpetrated in such quick succession by different murderers and then suddenly stop, with not one of the murderers ever being caught?

I think that is the logical question given the premise and I am interested in the response. My thanks to anyone who takes the time to provide some ideas on the answer to my query.

[Steven Russell]

It should be noted that the police in official files always seem to have referred to these murders as "The Whitechapel Murders" and the killer as "The Whitechapel Murderer".

No Jack the Ripper !

Note "killer" and "murderer" - both singular.

Best wishes,
Steve.

[Phil Carter]

Note "killer" and "murderer" - both singular.

Best wishes,
Steve.

Hello Steve,

The one thing you can put your last penny on is the referance to only ONE killer after the Eddowes and Stride murders especially.
The police were being hounded by all and sundry for being so poor they couldnt catch a cold. In that climate there is no way on Earth ANY policeman of rank will announce the possibility of TWO killers being on the loose amongst the poplace. Including the Home Secretary, jobs would be on the chopping block. The reaction to that kind of news would be handing a match to the holder of the revolutionary powder keg holders, I believe,

best wishes

Phil

[Monty]

Steely,

I agree, unproductive.

Yes, the question is, if we follow Simon, what are the chances of a number of killers operating out in the open with similar traits?

And then we have to address the supression of these killers.

Oh, by the way, have I told you the world is flat?

Monty

[Phil Carter]

Hello Steelysama,

It should be noted that the police (in some cases) still believed the Whitechapel Murderer to be at large as late as 1889.1891,1892 and even 1894. So, "stop suddenly" doesnt apply depending on what police horse one puts one's money on, doesn't it?

Best wishes

Phil

[Steelysama]

Monty,

LOL @ flat world.

Yes, I personally would think that it is best to proceed with this case using the words of William of Ockham: "Plurality must never be posited without necessity." (Otherwise known as Ockham or Occam's Razor) Thus, I ask for proof of the necessity,

[lynn cates]

thoughts

Hello Steely. A very well thought out question. It deserves a sincere reply.

I believe that one of them was caught. And that happened on September 12, 1888.

And I agree with you about the unproductive aspect of barbs--fun though they may be. Hence you shall find me doing research in my free time.

Delighted to discuss any aspect of the case you prefer; but, the thread was about Ripperologists discussing the case. I am not a member of that august assembly. So, perhaps a PM?

Cheers.
LC

[Steelysama]

Hello Steelysama,

It should be noted that the police (in some cases) still believed the Whitechapel Murderer to be at large as late as 1889.1891,1892 and even 1894. So, "stop suddenly" doesnt apply depending on what police horse one puts one's money on, doesn't it?

Best wishes

Phil

You don't happen to have a link I could look at on that, do you? It sounds interesting.

Anyway, it would not be the only time that a serial killer has gone on for several years. It still leaves the question of "Why only this time period?", Even now, murders of this nature are unusual,

[Monty]

Monty,

LOL @ flat world.

Yes, I personally would think that it is best to proceed with this case using the words of William of Ockham: "Plurality must never be posited without necessity." (Otherwise known as Ockham or Occam's Razor) Thus, I ask for proof of the necessity,

Absolutely Steely, however I fear your quest may be in vain.

I'm sure Lynn will set you straight behind closed doors.

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi Monty,

Why does my not subscribing to your understanding of the "facts and reality of the situation" make me a fantasist or a conspiracist?

Blimey, five hundred years ago in your home village you'd probably have had me burned as a heretic.

Last time I managed a glance at my fundamental orifice I had no followers. You misread what's happening. Quite independently, people are starting to challenge almost a century-and-a-quarter of misconceptions, wishful thinking and various piles of old horsefeathers.

But still I raise my Yuletide glass of egg nog to you. Here's to next year.

Regards,

Simon

[Steven Russell]

Hello Steve,

The one thing you can put your last penny on is the referance to only ONE killer after the Eddowes and Stride murders especially.
The police were being hounded by all and sundry for being so poor they couldnt catch a cold. In that climate there is no way on Earth ANY policeman of rank will announce the possibility of TWO killers being on the loose amongst the poplace. Including the Home Secretary, jobs would be on the chopping block. The reaction to that kind of news would be handing a match to the holder of the revolutionary powder keg holders, I believe,

best wishes

Phil

Good point, Phil though I still believe one man was responsible for the C5 and possibly Tabram. Would you mind if I PM'd you on a non-ripper matter?

Best wishes,
Steve.

[lynn cates]

William

Hello Neil. Actually, Steely has William pretty well translated into proper English. First poster I've seen who has done Ockham and not the Principle of Parsimony.

Bet he had a philosophy class at university.

Cheers.
LC