Name who you think it was,please

[Jon Guy]

I was surprised by the quick response of local doctors to the murder scenes from the east end - I wonder how many docs lived within 2 to 5 miles of the murders??

Hello Dr B

Dr Llewellyn lived on the Whitechapel Rd, just around the corner from Bucks Row, and the Policeman on the beat would know where the local Doctor lived.

Dr Killeen lived in Brick Lane, a stone`s throw from George Yard.

Dr Phillips was the H Div police Surgeon and lived in Spital Sq, less than a five minutes walk from Hanbury St and Dorset St.

Dr`s Johnson and Blackwell lived and worked at the top of the next street to Berner St.

On discovery of a body, the Doctor was the first call for a policeman, then the duty Inspector and so on

[DrB]

Dear Ben/Jon,

I'm not completely settled on this guy having no surgical knowledge - this was 1888 - a time of grave robbers and body snatchers - he took some organs - why? maybe to study them - the kidney, uterus and heart - it was a time of great surgical discovery and the surgery was butchery - he seems to know the cuts to make and what he's looking for . The smart dress thing depends on what u want to include and exclude really from the witnesses reports. The doctors living in the area - is this a full list - what about the docs from the local whitechapel hospital ? I bet there were more than 10 doctors in that area. Just some thoughts.

All the best

DrB

[Sam Flynn]

Hi DrB,

he took some organs - why? maybe to study them - the kidney, uterus and heart - it was a time of great surgical discovery

If he were a doctor or medical student, there were easier ways of getting hold of organs. Indeed, they'd already have studied anatomy at medical school, so there was little or nothing to gain by performing extra-curricular dissections in the street. Also, the great time of surgical discovery had long gone - there's very little that a 19th Century medic (or reader of medical books) would have known about gross anatomy that hadn't already been discovered, and documented, a century or more before. The fine structure of most organs was well-understood by the mid/late 1800s, and the study of the microscopic anatomy of cells and tissues (histology) had started in earnest as far back as the mid 17th Century.

[Steve F]

Removel of Kidney

Hello All
Do you know what I have always found interesting? How did JTR locate and remove the kidney of Eddowes in the short space of time it is believed he had when so many medical people say that the kidney is a very difficult organ to locate.JTR did it in a dark corner of Mitre Square!

[Sam Flynn]

Hello All
Do you know what I have always found interesting? How did JTR locate and remove the kidney of Eddowes in the short space of time

That's a topic in itself, Steve, and specific to Eddowes - you might like to try this thread: http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=384&page=3

[Steve F]

Thanks

Thank you for the direction Sam

[#6.]

I agree with those who say it's someone unknown and unfortunately for those if us fascinated by the case, most likely unknowable.

For the most part, serial murderers have turned out to be nobodies famous only for their crimes. Their identities are household names today only because they got caught.

Historically speaking, if Charles Manson had been hit by a truck or his “family” lost in the desert they were hiding in at the time, who 100 years from now would have him on their suspects list? He wasn’t even a blip on the Police’s radar back in 1969 and the theories that the authorities were working under at the time didn’t even come close to his Helter Skelter motive. What author or amateur “Masonologist” could have conceived of something as bizarre as the actual truth behind the Tate-Labianca murders?

If they weren’t eventually captured would anyone have suspected Ted Bundy?, or Richard Ramirez? Would a single author a century from now have hit on Wayne Williams as the culprit in the Atlanta Child murders or have concluded the Son of Sam shootings were committed by a nut named David Berkowitz who believed his neighbors dog was speaking to him thru the walls?

I believe it was Donald Rumbelow who ended one of his books by saying, and I’m paraphrasing here, “When all the Ripperologists are standing in front of the Lord on Judgment day and ask him the name we’ve so long sought, I can’t help but believe upon finally hearing it we’ll all turn to one another and exclaim, Who?”

[The Grave Maurice]

What you say makes a lot of sense, 6. You even have the Rumbelow "Who?" paraphrase more or less correct, except that it comes in the middle of his Complete JtR, not at the end.

When I first read that line in 1975 I fervently hoped that he was wrong but, as it turns out, he ain't.

[#6.]

What you say makes a lot of sense, 6. You even have the Rumbelow "Who?" paraphrase more or less correct, except that it comes in the middle of his Complete JtR, not at the end.

When I first read that line in 1975 I fervently hoped that he was wrong but, as it turns out, he ain't.

Thank you. Not bad considering I read that book some 20-odd years ago.

[Steve F]

Probably the best solution

Hi #6
As dissappointing as it sounds I think you are probably right!I often think of the quote about if we ever do find out who it was we will all say ''who'' too I don't think in history of serial killers has it ever turn out to be a prime suspect and the coppers ended up saying ''we told you it was him''
Steve

[#6.]

Hi #6
As dissappointing as it sounds I think you are probably right!I often think of the quote about if we ever do find out who it was we will all say ''who'' too I don't think in history of serial killers has it ever turn out to be a prime suspect and the coppers ended up saying ''we told you it was him''
Steve

Thank you for the nice welcome, it's good to be around so many knowledgeable people. I'm putting you all on notice right now; I expect to learn a lot from you all!

Back to the subject at hand, I’ve often wondered if one of the hallmarks of serial killers, perhaps even one of the reasons they do what they do, is the fact that their basically nobodies.

Famous and wealthy people have other outlets for their…”eccentricities” shall we say.
Frustration and the gnawing belief that the world somehow “owes them something” along with a false sense of superiority may contribute to whatever mental weaknesses they have.

Undoubtedly it’s a combination of many factors, some we no doubt do not yet understand that creates the so called “serial killer.” But social anonymity does seem to be a common factor. I’m afraid our friend Jack was most likely one of the unseen, overlooked “everymen” that populate our daily lives, famous now only for his crimes.

Still, it’s the hunt itself that’s 90% of the fun.

[Steve F]

An aside

Hi #6
I see from your profile that you are from sunny Hollywood and in the entertainment industry(surprise surprise! ) and I couldn't let it go by without saying that we lost a true screen great today,Paul Newman RIP
I spent some time in California many years ago 1979/80 as I had an Aunt who married a GI during the war and moved to Reseada in 1945 and I was lucky to visit her on a couple of occasions.Ah the sunshine

[tradesman121]

I incline to the view that it was an impotent Whitechapel builder,a specialist in all manner of erections,who went by the name of Drew Peacock.

[Sam Flynn]

I incline to the view that it was an impotent Whitechapel builder,a specialist in all manner of erections,who went by the name of Drew Peacock.

I couldn't disagree more. I believe he was a well-endowed Irish male stripper, named Miles o'Toole.

[Roy Corduroy]

Suspicion was cast on an unbalanced Chinese sailor -Won Hong Lo.

Roy