Name who you think it was,please

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi Celesta

I to find blotchy face of interest..

However surely his discription is closer to Lawende and Schwartz who weren't close enough to judge the mans complexion.

Fair Brown Mostache..5' 5'' in height, stocky

Certainly not Freddy Mercury man..

A family resemblance to Kosminski ????? perhaps

[Simon Owen]

Certainly not Freddy Mercury man..

But then again...there was the ' FM ' written on the wall...

Maybe Jack was a ' Killer Queen ' ?

[Simon Owen]

We are going to need a glossary soon for all these different men :

FM Man = Freddie Mercury Man
BS Man = Broad Shoulders Man
PS Man = Pipe Smoking Man
BF Man = Blotchy Faced Man
Piltdown Man = probably not guilty since he didn't appear until 20 years after the crimes.

I think its quite ironic really , in that at this present time we probably know more about the peripheral details of the case than ever before but we don't actually have a major suspect that a majority of people would be prepared to agree on. In fact , have we really progressed from the ideas that the British police had at the time ?

[Jeff Leahy]

Clearly you have not been paying attention.

We have one very good suspect KOSMINSKI

there are no other candidates

Your only out side shot is Druitt

The rest have been dismissed, so the arguement is basically Kosminski or person unknown...

Perhaps this might help Simon

http://www.nme.com/video/id/irp8CNj9qBI/search/Queen

[joelhall]

i doubt kosminski would fit the discription of fair brown 'tache, & stocky.

joel

[Celesta]

Hi Pirate Jack,

I keep coming back to someone I think of as "Stout Man." Marshall, Brown, & Cox saw a stout man. Cox describes a "short, stout man..." Schwartz saw a broad-shouldered man. Remember that Schwartz had to have an interpreter, in order to give his testimony. Could 'stout' in his testimony have been interpreted as 'broad'? If so, then that would be 4 people who saw a stout man in the company of a victim. Blotchy was a "short, stout man" and he was the last person to be seen with Mary, if we discount George. Nobody heard a thing out of Mary after Cox left the last time. I keep trying to diagram and cross-reference all of this. It's so frustrating because I have so many huge gaps in my charts! I have this big zone between 1am or 1:30 am and 4:00 am "oh murder" time. No singing, no visuals of Blotchy leaving.

It would be really nice if we could get a photo of Kosminski. So nice. Did he have blotchy skin? Alas.

[The Good Michael]

Y'know, the idea of a stout man being Kosminksi used to seem impossible to me.
Yet, if we can remove the thought that he was an eater of garbage and refused food as being unclean, which we have no basis in fact in which to believe in 1888, it is possible to view him as indolent and a bit heavy. What I mean is we can't dismiss Kosminski as not stout enough, if we wish to use that description of the ripper for our theories, based on a description of his behavior 3 years after the fact.

Cheers,

Mike

[Ben]

i doubt kosminski would fit the discription of fair brown 'tache, & stocky.

I doubt it too, Joel.

An interesting observation is made by Philip Sugden on page 412 of his "Complete History of Jack the Ripper" :

"His weight, recorded in May 1915, ws only seven stone eight pounds and ten ounces, which suggests that he was small and slight in stature (he was said to have been in good bodily health as late as 1916)."

I believe it was argued recently that Kosminski was more likely than not to have been bearded.

Best regards,
Ben

[Jeff Leahy]

I think it reasonable to question much about Aaron Kosminski's appearance in 1888..

The photo used for Kosminski is tosh and most miss leading..better it were destroyed and a blank put in its place.

Pirate

[Jeff Leahy]

I doubt it too, Joel.

An interesting observation is made by Philip Sugden on page 412 of his "Complete History of Jack the Ripper" :

"His weight, recorded in May 1915, ws only seven stone eight pounds and ten ounces, which suggests that he was small and slight in stature (he was said to have been in good bodily health as late as 1916)."

I believe it was argued recently that Kosminski was more likely than not to have been bearded.

Best regards,
Ben

1915?? are you serious?

The question is..what did Aaron look like before schizophrenia? what is required is a family resemblance

[Celesta]

Mike, Ben,

Hold the phone guys. I wasn't saying the stout guy had to be Kosminski. I also see what you're both saying about his weight, in 1888, which likely would tie into his mental state. Pirate Jack will disagree with me, but I don't see the blotchy, stout man as anyone specific, necessarily. Certainly a picture would be nice of Kosminski to see if he fit either blotchy or stout.

Time to make another chart.

[Ben]

1915?? are you serious?

Yep, why wouldn't I be?

The key observation here is that he was in good bodily health at the time. If he was in bad health, there's a greater likelihood of him being underweight but that wasn't observed. If you're after suspects with a likely history of paranod schizophrenia and whose physical particulars superficially gel together pretty well with witness descriptons, I can suggest at least one that would fit the bill better than Kosminski, but I'm not hell-bent on turning this into a suspect vs. suspect thread.

Best regards,
Ben

[Sam Flynn]

1915?? are you serious?

I'm not so sure that's too difficult to accept, Jeff. A young man's bones were unlikely to have shrunk much over a period of 27 years, and a medium- or large-framed man weighing little over 7½ stone (105 lbs) could not be described as being "in good bodily health", even on a ration of hospital food - which, let's face it, may well have been far more nutritious than anything he'd have subsisted on in the slums of the East End. Based on that, I shouldn't wonder that Kosminski had been somewhat thin and slight in stature for most of his adult life.

[Jeff Leahy]

one of us is right and one of us is wrong

Pirate

[ClarkesYard]

Walter Sickert, just look at those evil eyes...

Done.