Fleming in 1872

[Captain Hook]

Many thanks my dear Crochet,
and by the way, "faire une erreur ou une faute" se dit aussi "faire un crochet", spécialement à la pétanque, lorsqu'on rate un tir (ce qui m'arrive rarement).

Amitiés,
David

Ah, David, mais c'est parce que tu es Provençal, alors, la pétanque, c'est ton sport national...

À plus, mon cher
Crochet

[DVV]

Many thanks my dear Crochet,
and by the way, "faire une erreur ou une faute" se dit aussi "faire un crochet", spécialement à la pétanque, lorsqu'on rate un tir (ce qui m'arrive rarement).

Amitiés,
David

[Captain Hook]

Salut mon cher Crochet,
I've seen her name given as "Masom", and "Mason". Which one is a typo...?

Amitiés,
David

Salut David,

D'après mes sources, le nom de jeune fille de la mère de Fleming était Mason. Alors, la faute de frappe, c'est Masom...

À plus,
Crochet

[DVV]

Fleming's candidacy and Mulshaw's suspect

I've always found Mulshaw's suspect of interest, since the time of the Buck's Row murder wasn't yet that of the Ripper scare (when many crazy jokers tried to frighten people or joke with the murders).
Now, if Fleming were Nichols' murderer, he might have come back to his shelter, washed his hands, hided the knife etc, then came out again to watch the police at work at the crime scene.
But just a thought!

Amitiés,
David

[Fisherman]

Sam writes:

"I don't know whether to congratulate or commiserate with you for understanding how my brain works"

I´m not quite at ease with that issue either, Sam.

All the best!
Fisherman

[Sam Flynn]

Sam asks:

"Why is the name "Amelia Cox" ringing bells with me?"

Perhaps, Sam, you are touching on the fact that AMELIA Richardson of 29 Hanbury Street, housed the elderly woman SARAH Cox out of charity?

Precisely that, Fish!

I don't know whether to congratulate or commiserate with you for understanding how my brain works

[DVV]

Fleming was seemingly known at Worship Street's Court, so there's a chance that he had already been tried there.
Any archives available? It should be interesting to hear about his first offense, since it seems a different one than Cox'.
Fleming was sentenced to 1 month imprisonment, then 5 years in a reformatory.
Where were the under aged criminals sent to, at this time?
And do we know about those "reformatories"?

Amitiés,
David

[Fisherman]

For all we know, Ben, he could have had just about ANY foxy lady at the back of his mind...

The best,
Fisherman

[Ben]

Or quite possibly Gareth had "Emilia Fox" at the back of his mind; an English actress and daughter of Edward, often to be seen in costume dramas.

Regards,
Ben

[Fisherman]

Observer writes:

"Either that, or could Mary Ann Cox have some connection with Amelia Cox, and Fleming was familiar with her as well as being familiar with Kelly?"

The possibility is there, of course. The census listings we are working from are dated 1871, and Mary Ann Cox would have been a mere 14 at that time - surprisingly, she was no more than 31 when Kelly was slain.

And, of course, she would probably not have been named Cox at the time, since she was a widower by 1888, most probably carrying her late husband´s name.

The best,
Fisherman

[Observer]

Hi Chris

Many thanks for the pics
Much appreciated

No problems, listen any idea how the street was numbered? That is did the low numbers start at Brick Lane? Next time I'm down there I could try and locate where 81 stood, or perhaps someone closer to hand could take a piccy

all the best

Observer

[Observer]

Hi Fisher

Either that, or could Mary Ann Cox have some connection with Amelia Cox, and Fleming was familiar with her as well as being familiar with Kelly?

all the best

Observer

[Fisherman]

Sam asks:

"Why is the name "Amelia Cox" ringing bells with me?"

Perhaps, Sam, you are touching on the fact that AMELIA Richardson of 29 Hanbury Street, housed the elderly woman SARAH Cox out of charity?

All the best, Sam!
Fisherman

[Sam Flynn]

Regarding Fleming's accomplice and co defendant, Thomas Cox, the most likely candidate in the 1871 census is:
81 Sclater Street, Bethnal Green
Head: Amelia Cox (Widow) aged 45 born Bethnal Green - Seamstress

Why is the name "Amelia Cox" ringing bells with me?

[Chris Scott]

Many thanks for the pics
Much appreciated