Domestic or lunatic?

[Sam Flynn]

Slightly disappointing news, I'm afraid.

I received the following reply from Redbridge Central Library in response to my inquiry concerning any surviving records from Claybury Asylum:

I am sorry to tell you that we have no record of Mr Joseph Fleming, alias James Evans. Although we do hold such records as have survived, these are very few and random, and do not include the ones of interest to you.

Bloody freemasons destroying evidence again!

[Ben]

Hi all,

Slightly disappointing news, I'm afraid.

I received the following reply from Redbridge Central Library in response to my inquiry concerning any surviving records from Claybury Asylum:

"I am sorry to tell you that we have no record of Mr Joseph Fleming, alias James Evans. Although we do hold such records as have survived, these are very few and random, and do not include the ones of interest to you."

Buggerlumps.

On a more positive note, I have managed to locate a relative.

Best regards,
Ben

[Sam Flynn]

No doubt.
And our captain is a Welshman - Philip Fitzgerald.
Needless to say, we won...

...I'm always glad to hear someone play to win! Of course, it's only in European rugby that one team always plays to lose.




I'm sorry, that should have read "...one team always plays Toulouse"

[KatBradshaw]

Kat writes:
"newly moved to the area (according to some)"

That, Kat, is a given; we know for sure that Fleming stated, when treated at the hospital for an injured leg (I believe), that he had moved to the Victoria Home somewhere around August of 1888.
And yes, Fleming is a compelling suggestion; much as I have questioned it before, he is at the top of my list now.

The best,
Fisherman

Good! I only said 'according to some' as I wasn't sure of my sources and didn't have time to check! Thanks for the verification.

[Fisherman]

David writes:
"rugby in Toulon is half a domestic and half a lunatic affair."

...the home town team being the domestic ones, and the competing visitors the loonies, David?

All the best,
Fisherman

[Fisherman]

Kat writes:
"newly moved to the area (according to some)"

That, Kat, is a given; we know for sure that Fleming stated, when treated at the hospital for an injured leg (I believe), that he had moved to the Victoria Home somewhere around August of 1888.
And yes, Fleming is a compelling suggestion; much as I have questioned it before, he is at the top of my list now.

The best,
Fisherman

[KatBradshaw]

I thought I had replied to this but I can't find my post, how odd!
I find Flemming very interesting. Someone with some local knowledge, newly moved to the area (according to some), known to Mary so possibly more likely to be let in to the room, although this is not so if Mary was using the room for prostitution. It is interesting that although Barnett says she had returned to prostitution he does not say she used the room for that puropse, maybe that is a given.
He is said to have 'abused her' which may suggested violence and also to have stayed in contact with her. It was suggested that Bundy lashed out the women he did because of their similarities to a woman who had hurt him. These sorts of suggestions annoy me though as the blame always seems to come back to women and not the killers.

[DVV]

No doubt.
And our captain is a Welshman - Philip Fitzgerald.
Needless to say, we won (22-16) and drank a little bit.
A little bit too much.

Amitiés,
David

ps: rugby in Toulon is half a domestic and half a lunatic affair. On topic...

[Sam Flynn]

Now it's rugby time for me.

...a man of taste!

[DVV]

My pleasure, Ben,
we will be waiting for your findings.
Now it's rugby time for me, first match of the season (Top 14) at Mayol stadium, Toulon.
Good evening.

[Ben]

Thanks for the reminder, David!

I've just shot off an email to the respository in question.

Best wishes,
Ben

[DVV]

About Fleming's birth, from the thread "Mysterious ex boyfriend", posted by Clandrews, 4 March 2006:

"Joseph Fleming's birth was registered in the 3rd quarter (April to June) of 1859 in Bethnal Green District. In 1861 his family was living at 60 Wellington Street South in Bethnal Green. They were:

Richard Fleming, head of family, married, age 39, plasterer, born Ramsgate, Kent;
Henrietta Fleming, wife, married, age 40, born Camberwell, Surrey;
William Fleming, son, age 5, scholar, born Shoreditch, Middlesex;
Jane Fleming, daughter, age 4, scholar, born Shoreditch, Middlesex;
Joseph Fleming, son, age 2, born Bethnal Green, Middlesex."

[DVV]

Hi Ben,
sorry for replying late, I was out.
Here is what I found from "Alias...", posted by snelson:
"Joseph was admitted under the name of James Evans to the City of London Asylum at Stone on July 4, 1892. On Feb 14, 1895, he was transfered to the City of London Mental Hospital at Claybury, where he died on Aug 28, 1920. His mother, Henrietta, is listed in the Stone records as residing at 261 Nile Street.
Here is the Death Cert. quoted:

28 Aug 1920 at Claybury Mental Hospital, Urban District. Joseph Fleming, otherwise James Evans. Male, 65 years. Of City of London Union Infirmary. Previous address unknown. Chargeable to Bethnal Green, a dock-labourer. Cause of death, Pulmonary Tuberculosis, 6 months, 13 days PM. Certified by F. Paine, acting Medical Superintendent, Claybury Mental Hospital, Ilford, 1 Sept 1920."

Amitiés,
David

[Ben]

Thanks, Fisherman!

I'll let you all know how I get on.

[Fisherman]

That, Ben, sounds extremely intriguing!

I wish you the best of luck!

Fisherman