Druitt.

[Herlock Sholmes]

You are obviously wrong about that.

We do not know that Druitt 'didn’t have an alibi for Tabram['s murder]'.

We do not know that he did have an alibi for Tabram's murder.

You cannot possibly know what you claim to know because you do not have enough information to make that statement.

Check post number 58 by Roger.

Are you telling Roger that he invented this?

Will you actually, for the first time ever admit that you are wrong? The evidence is in black and white. No alibi.

Spin away. I’m guessing you’ll try “well he might have had an alibi that we’re not aware of,” or something like that.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Check post number 58 by Roger.

Are you telling Roger that he invented this?

Will you actually, for the first time ever admit that you are wrong? The evidence is in black and white. No alibi.

Spin away. I’m guessing you’ll try “well he might have had an alibi that we’re not aware of,” or something like that.

You are wrong again.

In his #58, Roger Palmer did not contradict what I wrote.

We do not know that Druitt 'didn’t have an alibi for Tabram['s murder]', as you mistakenly claim.

We do not know that he did have an alibi for Tabram's murder.

You cannot possibly know what you claim to know because you do not have enough information to make that statement.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

There is zero nill zilch nix zot nada evedance that Druitt had ever set a foot in Whitechapel, let alone him being the WM, he is already in, only in the imagination of a tee merchant who had zero nill zilch nix zot nada experience and didn't make the slightest of investigations about Druitt.


The Baron

I agree and have made the same points myself, but you claimed that Kosminski was 'an insane and sexual maniac' in #160, A photograph of Joseph Lawende in 1899.

I asked you:

Where is your evidence that Aaron Kosminski or any other Kosminski in London was a sexual maniac?


(# 346, A photograph of Joseph Lawende in 1899)



I repeated the question in # 407, Who were they?


You have still made no response.

[Herlock Sholmes]

You are wrong again.

In his #58, Roger Palmer did not contradict what I wrote.

We do not know that Druitt 'didn’t have an alibi for Tabram['s murder]', as you mistakenly claim.

We do not know that he did have an alibi for Tabram's murder.

You cannot possibly know what you claim to know because you do not have enough information to make that statement.

I knew that would be your tactic.

We previously had an alibi from Leighton for the Tabram murder. That alibi no longer exists. I’m not interested in discussing imaginary alibi’s with you. I’ve wasted enough time on that.

Unless you can provide evidence of an alibi then none can be shown to exist. I like to imagine you as a barrister PI. “Members of the jury, I put it to you that we have to exonerate Mr. Druitt of the murder of Martha Tabram because, for all that we know, he might have had an alibi that we just have no evidence for.”

I bet Marshall Hall never tried that one.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I agree and have made the same points myself, but you claimed that Kosminski was 'an insane and sexual maniac' in #160, A photograph of Joseph Lawende in 1899.

I asked you:

Where is your evidence that Aaron Kosminski or any other Kosminski in London was a sexual maniac?


(# 346, A photograph of Joseph Lawende in 1899)



I repeated the question in # 407, Who were they?


You have still made no response.

Just an aside PI. Is there any poster on here discussing JTR that you agree with on any topic?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I knew that would be your tactic.

We previously had an alibi from Leighton for the Tabram murder. That alibi no longer exists. I’m not interested in discussing imaginary alibi’s with you. I’ve wasted enough time on that.

Unless you can provide evidence of an alibi then none can be shown to exist. I like to imagine you as a barrister PI. “Members of the jury, I put it to you that we have to exonerate Mr. Druitt of the murder of Martha Tabram because, for all that we know, he might have had an alibi that we just have no evidence for.”

I bet Marshall Hall never tried that one.

That is not a serious reply.

You cannot refute the logic of what I wrote.

I am not a fan of Marshall Hall and resent any comparison with him.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Just an aside PI. Is there any poster on here discussing JTR that you agree with on any topic?

Do you agree with the statement 'the Kosminski described by the Police, whether Aaron or not, was an insane and sexual maniac' which was made by The Baron?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Inspector Frederick Abberline, who was the leading investigative officer in the case, appeared to dismiss Druitt as a suspect on the basis that the only evidence against him was the coincidental timing of his suicide shortly after the fifth murder. He states in the Pall Mall Gazette 1908

"I know all about that story. But what does it amount to? Simply this. Soon after the last murder in Whitechapel the body of a young doctor was found in the Thames, but there is absolutely nothing beyond the fact that he was found at that time to incriminate him. A report was made to the Home Office about the matter, but that it was ‘considered final and conclusive’ is going altogether beyond the truth."

Mcnaghten supposedly received this private information but there is no indication of who gave him the info. This was probably nothing more than rumour and opinion

MM did not join the Met until 1889 and that info was never disclosed or it seems followed up on. MM could have been simply another person who was given the name of a suspect just like the multitude of likely suspects who had been suggested by the public at the time of the murders, and the inaccuracy of how he describes Druit suggests just that, and it was nothing more than hearsay

And not forgetting that the later murders of Coles and McKenzie were treated as ripper victims so if they were that definitely rules him out

The MM penned by MM is unsafe to rely on there are too many discrepancies within it to be treated with any credibility

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Macnaghten's private information was so private that it seems that no-one else knew about it, like the identity of the witness who allegedly identified Kosminski as the Whitechapel Murderer, and the identities of the policemen who transported him to the seaside, and the identities of the policemen who were present at the alleged identification.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Do you agree with the statement 'the Kosminski described by the Police, whether Aaron or not, was an insane and sexual maniac' which was made by The Baron?

I not interested PI.

[Herlock Sholmes]

That is not a serious reply.

You cannot refute the logic of what I wrote.

I am not a fan of Marshall Hall and resent any comparison with him.

Because there is no logic to refute.

The previous alibi no longer exists.

This means that there is no alibi.

I really can’t make this any simpler to understand.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Macnaghten's private information was so private that it seems that no-one else knew about it, like the identity of the witness who allegedly identified Kosminski as the Whitechapel Murderer, and the identities of the policemen who transported him to the seaside, and the identities of the policemen who were present at the alleged identification.

So if one person knows something it cannot be true if it’s the case that we can find no one else that knows it too?

Nice logic.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Abberline had retired by then so his opinion is close to worthless.

The nonsense written by Anderson and Swanson about Polish Jews and Kosminski is not worthless, even though it was written after both men retired and even though there is no evidence to substantiate any of their allegations, and even though there is evidence that some of Anderson's allegations are untrue?

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

So if one person knows something it cannot be true if it’s the case that we can find no one else that knows it too?

Nice logic.

Macnaghten did not know that Druitt was the Whitechapel Murderer any more than you know that Druitt did not have an alibi.

[Elamarna]

The nonsense written by Anderson and Swanson about Polish Jews and Kosminski is not worthless, even though it was written after both men retired and even though there is no evidence to substantiate any of their allegations, and even though there is evidence that some of Anderson's allegations are untrue?

Anderson and Swanson were making comments that the suspect was known, locked away and had died as early as 1895.
Years before either retired.

It was only the details of the identification and the name that came after both men retired.

Steve

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I not interested PI.

Of course.

You're not interested when someone else makes a completely unfounded accusation against a supposed suspect, but you quibble over what I say about whether Druitt can be proven not to have had an alibi.