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[Natalie Severn]

As my post to Jake was lost,so I will reiterate it. Jake provides a lower section of map showing The Minories viz the lower end where Cutbush bought one of his knives.
However The Minories begins [and did so in 1888 too] ,where Houdsditch leaves off ie at the other side of Aldgate/Aldgate High Street. Now this is the area that interests me most with regards to the reference Macnaghten makes to Cutbush having worked as a clerk and traveller for the " Tea Trade at The Minories". I would like to know whether this Tea place was at the Upper end of The Minories near Houndsditch, or at the lower end where he bought one of his knives.Incidently ,I am pretty sure he also bought a knife in Houndsditch itself as well during his travels up and down Houndsditch/Minories!-----It was so clearly a patch of Whitechapel he knew rather well!

[Vigilantee]

I see we lost some posts in the server switch, fortunately I saved most, will repost

[Jeff Leahy]

Great pictures Jake...do you recon they were taken 2 and a quarter or on Plate camera?

[Natalie Severn]

Nats,

Given that the space between Minories and Crutched Friars consisted mainly of Tea WHs, I consider this to be a bit of a stretch.

The Knife discussed in the Lloyd's piece (3rd May 1891) was bought in Union Row, Minories on the 7th of March.
Whether they're different knives or whether MacNaghten just got the place (Houndsditch) and the time (Feb '91) wrong and we're talking about the same knife is anybody's guess .

/jake

Jake,point accepted The visuals are great,many thanks for these.

[Jake L]

The Reading library holds a collection of Francis Frith photos of Broadmoor.

Here are a couple of good'uns.

[Jake L]

The Minories is really just a continuation of the road named "Houndsditch"----it is separated from Houndsditch by the main High Street that runs across it [ie where "Aldgate" meets "Aldgate High Street" ]It is therefore very close indeed to Mitre Square and I have wondered whether Macnaghten was in fact talking about the Mitre Square "Kearley and Tongue " Tea warehouse that was there when he said Cutbush worked as a clerk in The Minories?
Houndsditch seems to have been where Thomas Cutbush shopped -its where he bought one of his knives and am I correct in thinking he bought another of his knives in The Minories?
Norma

Nats,

Given that the space between Minories and Crutched Friars consisted mainly of Tea WHs, I consider this to be a bit of a stretch.

The Knife discussed in the Lloyd's piece (3rd May 1891) was bought in Union Row, Minories on the 7th of March.
Whether they're different knives or whether MacNaghten just got the place (Houndsditch) and the time (Feb '91) wrong and we're talking about the same knife is anybody's guess .

/jake

[Roy Corduroy]

The Reading library holds a collection of Francis Frith photos of Broadmoor.

http://www.bracknell-forest.gov.uk/leisure/leis-heritage/leis-heritage-db-search-intro/leis-heritage-db-search.asp?display=9554&browse=4

[Vigilantee]

Hi Vigilantee

I should say that although Kate Hayne was born in Philadelphia, her parents came from Oxfordshire. The father I think was a merchant and presumably this led to their presence in the US at the time of Kate's birth.

Well quite a few of them did originally!

[Robert]

Got them, Chris, thanks.

[Natalie Severn]

regarding The Minories

The Minories is really just a continuation of the road named "Houndsditch"----it is separated from Houndsditch by the main High Street that runs across it [ie where "Aldgate" meets "Aldgate High Street" ]It is therefore very close indeed to Mitre Square and I have wondered whether Macnaghten was in fact talking about the Mitre Square "Kearley and Tongue " Tea warehouse that was there when he said Cutbush worked as a clerk in The Minories?
Houndsditch seems to have been where Thomas Cutbush shopped -its where he bought one of his knives and am I correct in thinking he bought another of his knives in The Minories?
Norma

[Chris Scott]

Hi Robert
got your message and I've just sent them
Chris

[Pippin Joan]

[QUOTE=Stephen Thomas;53324]From the Sun articles Feb 16th 1894

The man's eyes had a morbid fascination for me......dull, vacant, unconscious of life or care or hope. They were not ferocious but simply stolid, like the glass eyes of a wax figure. They implied to me that in such a man all actions were possible, that to their owner it was as simple a thing to put a knife upon a human throat as upon a piece of thick twist tobacco. As we gazed at him we wondered whether awful visions of the past did not at times flit across his brain and twinge with horror that impassive face - visions of squalid, ill lighted streets and alleys, with draggle haired women, of whispered consultations, of sudden stabbing and hacking at palpitating bodies, of hair breadth escapes from capture, and mad races for life through the darkness QUOTE]


I've had students that fit this description.

[Robert]

Hi Vigilantee

I should say that although Kate Hayne was born in Philadelphia, her parents came from Oxfordshire. The father I think was a merchant and presumably this led to their presence in the US at the time of Kate's birth.

Chris, re your directory : yes please. I'll PM you my email address.

[Vigilantee]

Hi Vigilantee,
Also, as well as Robert's examples, you only have to check the descendants tree I posted the link for to see how many of Luke Flood's descendants through the female lines were given the name Flood as a middle name.

Well yes, the 'Thomasine' Cutbushes often used this differentiation technique, and it became a habit with some. Robert's other Victorian names are interesting too. But as the Cutbushes had overseas links (the Haynes were American, TTC in Australia etc) I still suspect its a habit invented by colonials (ignore 1779 it was just a hickup )). It probably also caught on among those whose friends had colonial relatives too, and may have become a fashion in some circles. I doubt it appears before the late 17th century. All of which is an interesting social history study, but I'm not drawing any important conclusions from it, so its not important.


On the other issue, what is peoples opinion regarding the newspaper reports placing THC in a Whitechapel company in July 1888 (when he attacked the old man) and allegedly stayed there after Nov?

[Chris Scott]

Thomas Bone was still running the same business at the same address in 1891