Does anything rule Bury out?

[Busy Beaver]

I've just read the interview Schwartz gave to the daily star and it says that the first man he saw was intoxicated. So the next question to ask is how intoxicated could one be to carry out a murder with or without mutilations and run/get away without staggering all over the place and standing out from the ordinary man in the street?

And an after-thought- the box of chaccous- Don't know if Liz enjoyed a wee ciggie with her drink, but perhaps her companion stank of beer and she was going to give him one to freshen his breath and then that's when he got muderous.

[Sam Flynn]

I can't really imagine Bury at 5ft 3...

I don't recall that any of the witnesses who saw potential Ripper suspects noted that he was short or below average height (between 5' 6" and 5' 7" in the late 1880s), as they might have done if the man they saw was only 5' 3".

[Sam Flynn]

Stride must have been tall compared to a few of her mates, as she was called Long Liz.

Actually she was only 5' 2" tall (or small, if you like), and her nickname actually stems from her surname - as in the expression "long stride". It's similar to people with the surname Miller being called "Dusty/Windy", or people named White given the nickname "Chalky".

[John Wheat]

Haven't read through everything about Bury yet, but he does seem to fit the picture. Thinking of the Stride case, Bury was a bit on the short side. Stride must have been tall compared to a few of her mates, as she was called Long Liz. The markings on her neck apparently showed her killer struggled to get her down, in which doing so could be a problem for a killer to be shorter than her. I can't really imagine Bury at 5ft 3 swinging from a 5ft 6 Liz in an attempt to pull her to the ground. It's almost the stuff of a comedy situation. Israel Swartz who is supposed to have seen "everything" would have mentioned this to the police- I saw the killer hanging of his victim, which I do not think he did. Also the Lipski call- I think that Pipeman also saw the killer, looked at him and decided he was NOT Jewish, saw Swartz who was obviously Jewish, wearing the hat and gave chase, not really knowing what was going on and then left the scene when he thought Swartz was scared enough.

Although short it is worth noting that Bury had powerfully built arms and shoulders.

[Busy Beaver]

Haven't read through everything about Bury yet, but he does seem to fit the picture. Thinking of the Stride case, Bury was a bit on the short side. Stride must have been tall compared to a few of her mates, as she was called Long Liz. The markings on her neck apparently showed her killer struggled to get her down, in which doing so could be a problem for a killer to be shorter than her. I can't really imagine Bury at 5ft 3 swinging from a 5ft 6 Liz in an attempt to pull her to the ground. It's almost the stuff of a comedy situation. Israel Swartz who is supposed to have seen "everything" would have mentioned this to the police- I saw the killer hanging of his victim, which I do not think he did. Also the Lipski call- I think that Pipeman also saw the killer, looked at him and decided he was NOT Jewish, saw Swartz who was obviously Jewish, wearing the hat and gave chase, not really knowing what was going on and then left the scene when he thought Swartz was scared enough.

[Sam Flynn]

well I guess he must have grown that beard out since the Kelly murder.

Judging by his chin and lower lip, it looks he may have had an elongated jaw, of the type that some men feel compelled to "minimise" by a beard. If so, it may well be the case that he'd worn that beard for many years.

[Abby Normal]

Sketch of Bury from The Dundee Courier, 12 February 1889. He had dark hair and a beard, was 5 foot 3½ inches (1.61 m) tall, and weighed less than 10 stone (64 kg).[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Bury

Thanks Harry
well I guess he must have grown that beard out since the Kelly murder.

wonder if he was trying to change his appearance?

[Harry D]

thanks Sam
Ive seen that before-I guess this is the only image of him then. I wonder when this was drawn?

Sketch of Bury from The Dundee Courier, 12 February 1889. He had dark hair and a beard, was 5 foot 3½ inches (1.61 m) tall, and weighed less than 10 stone (64 kg).[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Bury

[Abby Normal]

Here you go, Abby:

thanks Sam
Ive seen that before-I guess this is the only image of him then. I wonder when this was drawn?

[Sam Flynn]

could have been, who knows?

Do we have a good description of what Bury looked like?

Here you go, Abby:

[Sam Flynn]

Garbage. Yes you do and in a pompous manner.

I didn't understate the case, but called it as it is - that's not "garbage" by any means. If you can't see that, it's too bad.

[Abby Normal]

Are you totally sure blotchy wasn't Bury anyway? Blotchy skin is hardly uncommon for an alcoholic.

could have been, who knows?

Do we have a good description of what Bury looked like?

[John Wheat]

blotchy then?

Are you totally sure blotchy wasn't Bury anyway? Blotchy skin is hardly uncommon for an alcoholic.

[John Wheat]

I don't understate it. I'm seeing the murder for what it is: A ligature, some stabs and four inch abdominal cut with bulging bowels, the latter possibly only because Ellen was folded up and stuffed into a box. That's not a Ripper murder; it's not even a variation on a Ripper murder.

Garbage. Yes you do and in a pompous manner.

[Abby Normal]

I won't get drawn into that on a Bury thread, Abs

dam!!