Why William Henry Bury may have been Jack

[Herlock Sholmes]

-Mentioned by top senior police oficers

Kosminski Yes, Bury No


The Baron

Yes, it’s noticeable how this is considered a plus point for Kosminski but not for Druitt. Who needs fairness?

Are you telling me Baron that you genuinely don’t understand the point that’s being made here? Firstly, no one (least of all me) is claiming that Bury was definitely the murderer. Even the two posters who favour Bury aren’t claiming that he was definitely the killer. All that they are saying is that it’s their opinion that he’s the best of the named suspects. Why does their opinion annoy you to such an extent that you’ll go to any length? I’m not even claiming that he was probably the murderer. The point that I’m trying to make (and I refuse to believe that you can’t understand this) is that we cannot dismiss Bury because we have no grounds for doing so apart from the opinions of individuals. There are almost no suspects that we can dismiss on factual grounds no matter how annoying it might be. Bury probably wasn’t the killer. I think it’s likeliest that the killer hadn’t been named but I don’t know this for a fact.

Do you feel that it’s so important for you to promote Kosminski that you feel the need to mock and deride others who favour other suspects? None of us know who the ripper was.

[Lewis C]

-Mentally sick, solitary vices

Kosminski Yes, Bury No

So one reason why you think Kosminski is a better suspect than Bury is that Kosminski masturbated, and Bury didn't?

[Ms Diddles]

-Mentioned by top senior police oficers

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Mentally sick, solitary vices

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Resident in Whitechapel

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Could have killed Mckenzie

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Hatred of prostitutes

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Identified by a witness

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Identified by a City PC

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Watched by the police day and night

Kosminski Yes, Bury No




Who needs irony when arguments are this easy to win



The Baron

Hi Baron,

Please can you remind me of the evidence supporting the notion that Koz hated prostitutes?

I've no recollection of anything like this.

In Bury's case he married a prostitute, terrorised her and bled her dry financially.

He was certainly a misogynist (although whether he specifically hated prostitutes is open to debate).

Also IIRC there were reports of someone who sounded rather like Koz being kept under observation by the police, but no evidence that this person definitively was Koz.

Anyway, we know that Bury had a beard, and as Herlock pointed out it's pretty much inevitable that Koz (with his poor personal hygiene) would have had one too, so I thought on that basis both were now eliminated, no?

[The Baron]

Hi Baron,

Please can you remind me of the evidence supporting the notion that Koz hated prostitutes?

I've no recollection of anything like this.

In Bury's case he married a prostitute, terrorised her and bled her dry financially.

He was certainly a misogynist (although whether he specifically hated prostitutes is open to debate).

Also IIRC there were reports of someone who sounded rather like Koz being kept under observation by the police, but no evidence that this person definitively was Koz.

Good day Ms Diddles

Thank you for your post, regarding Kosminski hating prostitutes the evidence came from the Macnaghten Memoranda:

"Kosminski -- a Polish Jew -- and resident in Whitechapel. This man became insane owing to many years indulgence in solitary vices. He had a great hatred of women, specially of the prostitute class, and had strong homicidal tendencies"

And in the Swanson Marginalia we have:

"On suspect's return to his brother's house in Whitechapel he was watched by police (City CID) by day and night. - Kosminski was the suspect"


Greetings to Scotland!


The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

Good day Ms Diddles

Thank you for your post, regarding Kosminski hating prostitutes the evidence came from the Macnaghten Memoranda:

"Kosminski -- a Polish Jew -- and resident in Whitechapel. This man became insane owing to many years indulgence in solitary vices. He had a great hatred of women, specially of the prostitute class, and had strong homicidal tendencies"

And in the Swanson Marginalia we have:

"On suspect's return to his brother's house in Whitechapel he was watched by police (City CID) by day and night. - Kosminski was the suspect"


Greetings to Scotland!


The Baron

But I thought that Macnaghten was a liar that couldn’t be trusted? After all, when discussing Druitt you regularly mention that Mac got his age and profession wrong. So when is he trustworthy and when isn’t he?

[Ms Diddles]

Good day Ms Diddles

Thank you for your post, regarding Kosminski hating prostitutes the evidence came from the Macnaghten Memoranda:

"Kosminski -- a Polish Jew -- and resident in Whitechapel. This man became insane owing to many years indulgence in solitary vices. He had a great hatred of women, specially of the prostitute class, and had strong homicidal tendencies"

And in the Swanson Marginalia we have:

"On suspect's return to his brother's house in Whitechapel he was watched by police (City CID) by day and night. - Kosminski was the suspect"


Greetings to Scotland!


The Baron

Ahhh ok!

We're going with the MM on this one then.

Thanks Baron and greetings from Scotland!

[The Baron]

Ahhh ok!

We're going with the MM on this one then.

Thanks Baron and greetings from Scotland!

Hi Ms Diddles,

Macnaghten was probably reading the information about Kosminski from a file in front of him, he didn't bother to investigate even the man he personally favoured.

I am using the Memoranda in response to a those who value it.


The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Ms Diddles,

Macnaghten was probably reading the information about Kosminski from a file in front of him, he didn't bother to investigate even the man he personally favoured.

I am using the Memoranda in response to a those who value it.


The Baron

Then if you don’t value it you can eliminate the hatred of prostitute point. You can’t have it both ways Baron. What you’re saying is that we cannot rely on Macnaghten when he mentions Druitt but we can trust him when he said that Kosminski had a hatred of prostitutes.

[The Baron]

Bury's odd behaviour after his 'supposed' killing of his wife is a huge stumbling block when it comes to his legitimacy as a ripper suspect. He doesn't strike one as a man used to getting away with murder

Different MO, different behaviour, different victimology, different place and with a beard!!!


The Baron

[John Wheat]

Bury's odd behaviour after his 'supposed' killing of his wife is a huge stumbling block when it comes to his legitimacy as a ripper suspect. He doesn't strike one as a man used to getting away with murder

Different MO, different behaviour, different victimology, different place and with a beard!!!


The Baron

But Serial Killers are odd and behave oddly. Plus Bury's behaviour is similar to Ed Kemper. Same M.O., same victimology an ex prostitute and Bury had a beard in Dundee and we don't know if Bury had a beard or not in London. Face it Baron Bury is the best suspect there is by a long distance.

[The Baron]

Face it Baron Bury is the best suspect there is by a long distance.

Hi John,

That still doesn't make him a good suspect though.

We even have no conclusive and agreed upon evidence that the man killed his wife, let alone a stranger on the streets of Whitechapel.

We still cannot connect him to any crime in Whitechapel, non, zero, nothingness in its entirety!!!!

Ellen was his wife John, not a prositute out on the streets

And why do you think the ripper was targeting prostitutes, not any available woman? Do you think he hates them because they are prostitutes?!

If Bury hates prostitutes, is he going to marry one of them?!

I believe Bury is one of the worst suspects that we have.

I don't see anything that rings Jack the Ripper to me


The Police investigated him and didn't find anything that connects him to the crimes, so why should we bother, do we know better?!

I say let's focus on someone who was there, next to a freshly killed woman, in whitechapel, on the murder spot, while blood was still oozing from the woman's cuts, alone, in the dark

so what do you say?




The Baron

[John Wheat]

Hi John,

That still doesn't make him a good suspect though.

We even have no conclusive and agreed upon evidence that the man killed his wife, let alone a stranger on the streets of Whitechapel.

We still cannot connect him to any crime in Whitechapel, non, zero, nothingness in its entirety!!!!

Ellen was his wife John, not a prositute out on the streets

And why do you think the ripper was targeting prostitutes, not any available woman? Do you think he hates them because they are prostitutes?!

If Bury hates prostitutes, is he going to marry one of them?!

I believe Bury is one of the worst suspects that we have.

I don't see anything that rings Jack the Ripper to me


The Police investigated him and didn't find anything that connects him to the crimes, so why should we bother, do we know better?!

I say let's focus on someone who was there, next to a freshly killed woman, in whitechapel, on the murder spot, while blood was still oozing from the woman's cuts, alone, in the dark

so what do you say?




The Baron

I think you are completely wrong with your thinking Baron. I'm also wondering why you all of a sudden rate Lechmere as a suspect? Is it just to annoy those that believe Bury to be the best suspect?

[The Rookie Detective]

Interestingly; James Berry, the man who hanged Bury, failed to mention him in his book in which he highlights his most memorable experiences as a hangman.

He mentions Lipski, Pearcey and Conway to name but a few, but for some reason fails to mention Bury.

One would have thought that a man who allegedly confessed to the hangman that he was Jack the Ripper, would have at the very least received a mention in his book.
But there's nothing.

I believe that strongly suggests that Bury confessed nothing while he was incarcerated and that the story of him having told Berry the hangman are pure fabrication.


It weakens the idea that Bury confessed to anything relating to the Ripper.

It is a fact however that despite the blurred lines surrounding whether or not he strangled Ellen, it is known for certain that Bury DID mutilate her and dismember her.

It makes the case as to whether or not he strangled his wife to bring about her actual death, rather redundant


RD

[The Baron]

I beg to differ,

Targeting a stranger woman on the streets, attcking her, cutting her throat, then mutilating her, is not like someone who while drunk and in his own place stabbed an already dead wife in her abdomen.


Jack the ripper Kills
Jack the ripper cuts throats
Jack the ripper targets stranger women
Jack the ripper, when not under time pressure, turns a victim into pieces
Jack the ripper tantalizes Police


Jack the Ripper is the exact opposite of Bury



The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

I think you are completely wrong with your thinking Baron. I'm also wondering why you all of a sudden rate Lechmere as a suspect? Is it just to annoy those that believe Bury to be the best suspect?

A very valid question John. We’ve entered into an entirely surreal, upside down world here.

Carried a knife. Previous violence. Link to prostitutes. Proven propensity to murder. Criminality.
Cross. No. No. No. No. No
Bury. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes


And we get this: “I believe Bury is one of the worst suspects that we have.”

No one that says that Cross is a better suspect than Bury can be taken seriously. As a suspect, Cross is a joke who has been raised to his current position by dishonesty and a manipulation of the evidence. He was in Bucks Row. That’s it. There’s nothing else. Apparently that’s enough for some.

But you’re absolutely right to ask why this opinion persists John. I think we both know.