Why William Henry Bury may have been Jack

[Herlock Sholmes]

Good day Ms Diddles

Thank you for your post, regarding Kosminski hating prostitutes the evidence came from the Macnaghten Memoranda:

"Kosminski -- a Polish Jew -- and resident in Whitechapel. This man became insane owing to many years indulgence in solitary vices. He had a great hatred of women, specially of the prostitute class, and had strong homicidal tendencies"

And in the Swanson Marginalia we have:

"On suspect's return to his brother's house in Whitechapel he was watched by police (City CID) by day and night. - Kosminski was the suspect"


Greetings to Scotland!


The Baron

But I thought that Macnaghten was a liar that couldn’t be trusted? After all, when discussing Druitt you regularly mention that Mac got his age and profession wrong. So when is he trustworthy and when isn’t he?

[The Baron]

Hi Baron,

Please can you remind me of the evidence supporting the notion that Koz hated prostitutes?

I've no recollection of anything like this.

In Bury's case he married a prostitute, terrorised her and bled her dry financially.

He was certainly a misogynist (although whether he specifically hated prostitutes is open to debate).

Also IIRC there were reports of someone who sounded rather like Koz being kept under observation by the police, but no evidence that this person definitively was Koz.

Good day Ms Diddles

Thank you for your post, regarding Kosminski hating prostitutes the evidence came from the Macnaghten Memoranda:

"Kosminski -- a Polish Jew -- and resident in Whitechapel. This man became insane owing to many years indulgence in solitary vices. He had a great hatred of women, specially of the prostitute class, and had strong homicidal tendencies"

And in the Swanson Marginalia we have:

"On suspect's return to his brother's house in Whitechapel he was watched by police (City CID) by day and night. - Kosminski was the suspect"


Greetings to Scotland!


The Baron

[Ms Diddles]

-Mentioned by top senior police oficers

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Mentally sick, solitary vices

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Resident in Whitechapel

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Could have killed Mckenzie

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Hatred of prostitutes

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Identified by a witness

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Identified by a City PC

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Watched by the police day and night

Kosminski Yes, Bury No




Who needs irony when arguments are this easy to win



The Baron

Hi Baron,

Please can you remind me of the evidence supporting the notion that Koz hated prostitutes?

I've no recollection of anything like this.

In Bury's case he married a prostitute, terrorised her and bled her dry financially.

He was certainly a misogynist (although whether he specifically hated prostitutes is open to debate).

Also IIRC there were reports of someone who sounded rather like Koz being kept under observation by the police, but no evidence that this person definitively was Koz.

Anyway, we know that Bury had a beard, and as Herlock pointed out it's pretty much inevitable that Koz (with his poor personal hygiene) would have had one too, so I thought on that basis both were now eliminated, no?

[Lewis C]

-Mentally sick, solitary vices

Kosminski Yes, Bury No

So one reason why you think Kosminski is a better suspect than Bury is that Kosminski masturbated, and Bury didn't?

[Herlock Sholmes]

-Mentioned by top senior police oficers

Kosminski Yes, Bury No


The Baron

Yes, it’s noticeable how this is considered a plus point for Kosminski but not for Druitt. Who needs fairness?

Are you telling me Baron that you genuinely don’t understand the point that’s being made here? Firstly, no one (least of all me) is claiming that Bury was definitely the murderer. Even the two posters who favour Bury aren’t claiming that he was definitely the killer. All that they are saying is that it’s their opinion that he’s the best of the named suspects. Why does their opinion annoy you to such an extent that you’ll go to any length? I’m not even claiming that he was probably the murderer. The point that I’m trying to make (and I refuse to believe that you can’t understand this) is that we cannot dismiss Bury because we have no grounds for doing so apart from the opinions of individuals. There are almost no suspects that we can dismiss on factual grounds no matter how annoying it might be. Bury probably wasn’t the killer. I think it’s likeliest that the killer hadn’t been named but I don’t know this for a fact.

Do you feel that it’s so important for you to promote Kosminski that you feel the need to mock and deride others who favour other suspects? None of us know who the ripper was.

[The Baron]

-Mentioned by top senior police oficers

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Mentally sick, solitary vices

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Resident in Whitechapel

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Could have killed Mckenzie

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Hatred of prostitutes

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Identified by a witness

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Identified by a City PC

Kosminski Yes, Bury No



-Watched by the police day and night

Kosminski Yes, Bury No




Who needs irony when arguments are this easy to win



The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

The first paragraph makes little, if any, sense of course but nothing written above explains the desperation to prove the unprovable? Why the desire to remove Bury from any suspect list? If Bury goes then every single suspect has to go without exception.

Can you prove that Bury wasn’t the ripper?

The answer is categorically no.

That should be the end of it. The ripper was a violent man who killed and mutilated women and consorted with prostitutes. These are facts.

Violent - Bury, yes - Kosminski, no.
Killed - Bury, yes - Kosminski, no.
Mutilation - Bury, yes - Kosminski, no.
Prostitutes - Bury, yes - Kosminski, no.

To partially quote you: “And there are persons who could swear he (Kosminski) is the best ripper suspect if not the ripper himself.”

Who needs irony when arguments are this easy to win.

[The Baron]

Bury the Ripper, who is no more able to kill in Whitechapel, didn't want to kill any more in London, didn't want to kill any more in England, didn't want to kill any more on the streets, didn't want to kill any more stranger women, didn't want to cut any more throats, didn't want to stay any more on the run.

He traveled to Dundee, hung his wife, inserted his knife in her belly, stuffed her in a box, and went to the police.

And there are persons who could swear he is the best ripper suspect if not the ripper himself


The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

I am quite satisfied and totally happy with what I understood.



The Baron

Then you accept that a Mock Trial can’t overrule a real trial and that Bury is legally guilty of killing his wife?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Of what? Surely not shooting JFK.

Yup. Oswald was clearly guilty in my opinion.

[A P Tomlinson]

I am quite satisfied and totally happy with what I understood.



The Baron

Since we are pulling quotes from our srses, "Ignorance IS Bliss..."

[Geddy2112]

The did a Mock Trial on the JFK assassination a few years ago and the jury found Oswald guilty.

Of what? Surely not shooting JFK.

[A P Tomlinson]

To each his own, repeating that he has not been acquitted will not change that either.

Bury was found not guilty in the same court room that convicted him the first time.



"History isn't something that's dead, it's something that's very vibrant, very alive, and today we can still experience it."


The Baron

I once kicked a ball at Wembley, it didn't overturn the 1966 World Cup final result!

It was students playing a competitive game. NOT a legal proceeding. How hard is this to understand?

[The Baron]

I am quite satisfied and totally happy with what I understood.



The Baron

[A P Tomlinson]

The Baron

Try and read the article, then use that information to get a better understanding of why the headline uses speach marks around the word acquitted.