Why William Henry Bury may have been Jack

[Herlock Sholmes]

Bury was not the ripper.

The Police didn't consider him a viable suspect.

Strong evidence, because the police have never been wrong have they?

The Baron

You missed a bit..

“Bury was not the ripper in my opinion.”

[A P Tomlinson]

If Bury was Jack the Ripper, he wouldn't have killed his wife and walked to the Police himself thinking, yes, I will tell them she hanged herself and they will believe me, I will just add a couple of stabs here and there to show them I was realy realy angry with her, as if there were no hunt for a Jack the ripper, they will investigate and know we have just arrived from London, and they will discover how many times I assaulted her and threatened her with my special set of knifes, but the Jury and the Judge will have no choice but to believe me, yes the court wouldnt allow me to speak, but when they look deep in my eyes they will just believe me..


No serial killer will think like this, I wonder how Buryians could face Lechmerians with this line of thinking keeping a straight face

From many of the testimonies we hear that Bury was almost always drunk, I think he was genuinely not sure what did just happen.


The Baron

I don't think I've come across anyone who thinks that.
Certainly never come across anyone who SAID that they think that.
Have you?

[The Baron]

Bury was not the ripper.

The Police didn't consider him a viable suspect.



The Baron

[The Baron]

If Bury was Jack the Ripper, he wouldn't have killed his wife and walked to the Police himself thinking, yes, I will tell them she hanged herself and they will believe me, I will just add a couple of stabs here and there to show them I was realy realy angry with her, as if there were no hunt for a Jack the ripper, they will investigate and know we have just arrived from London, and they will discover how many times I assaulted her and threatened her with my special set of knifes, but the Jury and the Judge will have no choice but to believe me, yes the court wouldnt allow me to speak, but when they look deep in my eyes they will just believe me..


No serial killer will think like this, I wonder how Buryians could face Lechmerians with this line of thinking keeping a straight face

From many of the testimonies we hear that Bury was almost always drunk, I think he was genuinely not sure what did just happen.


The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Mike,

There are references to a Kosminski suspect by Macnaughten and Swanson, but only by surname. The only real tie to Aaron Mordke Kosminski is that Fido was only able to find one record of a Kosminski in asylum records, that being Aaron. The police house to house search after the murder of MJK was in the area in the purview of the City police, which included Scion Square, but Aaron's family did not live in Scion Square until 1891. Curiously there was a Kosminski family living with the limits of the City police at #76 Goulston St. The head of that family was Isaac Abrahams (Kosminski), Aaron's older brother. Since this is off topic, I'll finish here with a recommendation towards several excellent dissertations by Scott Nelson.

https://www.casebook.org/dissertations/dst-isaac.html

https://www.casebook.org/dissertations/kosfinal.html

Cheers, George

Cheers George. I’ve read all of the dissertations on here but it’s been over quite a few years. I’ll give those two another read over the weekend.

[GBinOz]

But nothing connects Kosminski to any of the crimes. Zero. Why isn’t he dismissed?

Hi Mike,

There are references to a Kosminski suspect by Macnaughten and Swanson, but only by surname. The only real tie to Aaron Mordke Kosminski is that Fido was only able to find one record of a Kosminski in asylum records, that being Aaron. The police house to house search after the murder of MJK was in the area in the purview of the City police, which included Scion Square, but Aaron's family did not live in Scion Square until 1891. Curiously there was a Kosminski family living with the limits of the City police at #76 Goulston St. The head of that family was Isaac Abrahams (Kosminski), Aaron's older brother. Since this is off topic, I'll finish here with a recommendation towards several excellent dissertations by Scott Nelson.

https://www.casebook.org/dissertations/dst-isaac.html

https://www.casebook.org/dissertations/kosfinal.html

Cheers, George

[A P Tomlinson]

Niether Cadosch nor Long was seen alone near a recently killed woman, the fact that Lechmere was there at that narrow time window is a direct connection that has to be investigated thoroughly, Bury has no such link to the Whitechapel murders.


And yes they are trying to match Bury's handwriting to a lot more than the From Hell letter, and they find matches everywhere, It is next to impossible to convince them it is a waste of time when they are heartily convinced of Bury's guilt.



The Baron

But that makes no sense.
Not being seen alone with them is less of an alibi than being seen alone with them... surely?

We have a man who is seen near the body, (if we believe the "theory" he has just brutally attacked and murdered her) he doesn't appear out of breath, dishevelled or have any visible traces of blood, acts perfectly normally and raises zero suspicion in the man who "Caught" him.
Nothing in his behaviour, demeanour, or appearance raises a red flag for a witness who was cautiously aware of people being attacked in that street, when being shown the victim of such an attack, that the man showing him the woman had anything at all to do with it.

We then have four other people who discover bodies who have absolutely NO witnesses to corroborate what they did, or how long they spent with the body. But we are happy to believe their version of what happened because...?

The only difference between them in terms of behaviour is that the other four went and found someone else to show the body to before alerting the Police, while Paul was already walking toward Cross saving him the bother of looking for someone.
The other four people who discovered the body had better opportunity to kill and clean themselves up.

Cross had no oportunity to wash the blood from his hands, (or are we back to "Not necessarily covered in blood" = "Spotlessly clean") tidy himself up or catch his breath following a frenzied blitz attack.
And before we get into "So you think John Richardson..." No I don't believe any of them were the killer either (along with Cadosch and Long) I'm pointing out how ludicrous the case against Lechemere is.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I’ve yet to see the proof of Bury’s innocence and that’s because none exists. Therefore he cannot be dismissed by facts. Whether anyone thinks he’s a strong or a weak suspect is irrelevant. Can we connect him to the murders…no. Can we connect anyone to the murders…no. Do we have evidence that proves him innocent…no.

If we are to be fair and apply the same criteria to all suspects that is being applied here to Bury then we can dismiss every single suspect without exception.

[The Baron]

Hi Baron,

If being connected to a Ripper murder necessarily makes one a better suspect than Bury, that would mean that Albert Cadosch and Elizabeth Long are better Ripper suspects than Bury.

I think that the one letter that might have come from JtR is the From Hell letter, so if some are trying to connect Bury to any of the other letters, I'll agree that that's a waste of time.

Niether Cadosch nor Long was seen alone near a recently killed woman, the fact that Lechmere was there at that narrow time window is a direct connection that has to be investigated thoroughly, Bury has no such link to the Whitechapel murders.


And yes they are trying to match Bury's handwriting to a lot more than the From Hell letter, and they find matches everywhere, It is next to impossible to convince them it is a waste of time when they are heartily convinced of Bury's guilt.



The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

And I haven’t mentioned Afghanistan once George.

Sorry George, I couldn’t resist it. Hats off to Afghanistan though they are definitely an emerging team and we may see them playing test cricket in the not too distant future. They are certainly no pushover these days and the Aussies won’t be the last top team that they beat. I’m unsure about England v India though(just about to start) it’s a tough one to call. I make India slight favourites but you never know in T20.

England crumbled George. Awful performance.

[Lewis C]

I believe there is more going against Lechmere than Bury as a suspect in connection to the Whitechapel murders.

No matter how good or bad Bury was, unless you find something that connects him directly to one or more of the Jack the Ripper crimes, the case against him will continue to be non existent.

Maybe thats why Buryians are trying hard to connect Bury to any of those Jack The Ripper letters, which are generally considered fake?!


The Baron

Hi Baron,

If being connected to a Ripper murder necessarily makes one a better suspect than Bury, that would mean that Albert Cadosch and Elizabeth Long are better Ripper suspects than Bury.

I think that the one letter that might have come from JtR is the From Hell letter, so if some are trying to connect Bury to any of the other letters, I'll agree that that's a waste of time.

[Geddy2112]

But nothing connects Kosminski to any of the crimes. Zero. Why isn’t he dismissed?

I disagree, he lived in London in the autumn of 1888

[Herlock Sholmes]

But nothing connects Kosminski to any of the crimes. Zero. Why isn’t he dismissed?

[The Baron]

I believe there is more going against Lechmere than Bury as a suspect in connection to the Whitechapel murders.

No matter how good or bad Bury was, unless you find something that connects him directly to one or more of the Jack the Ripper crimes, the case against him will continue to be non existent.

Maybe thats why Buryians are trying hard to connect Bury to any of those Jack The Ripper letters, which are generally considered fake?!


The Baron

[Herlock Sholmes]

Well.....Frank may own more pairs of shoes....but mine are definitely more stylish....just kidding, of course.

A thoughtful and well measured post Mike.

Cheers, George

And I haven’t mentioned Afghanistan once George.

Sorry George, I couldn’t resist it. Hats off to Afghanistan though they are definitely an emerging team and we may see them playing test cricket in the not too distant future. They are certainly no pushover these days and the Aussies won’t be the last top team that they beat. I’m unsure about England v India though(just about to start) it’s a tough one to call. I make India slight favourites but you never know in T20.