Mock trial for Bury Feb 3

[phantom]

Hi all

Interesting article

Mock trial to examine the case against Bury for Dan Snow's History Channel TV show.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/uncategorized/5346228/evidence-against-killer-who-claimed-to-be-jack-the-ripper-before-being-hanged-130-years-ago-to-be-re-examined/

[phantom]

An article from the University of Dundee here too

https://www.dundee.ac.uk/news/2018/another-chance-for-the-last-man-hanged-in-dundee.php

[Harry D]

“I’m him all right and if you go along to my house in Princes Street, you’ll find the body of a woman packed up in a box and cut up.”

Bury never said that, did he? He never actually confessed to being the Ripper (putting the graffiti aside), he said he was worried of being suspected as the Ripper.

[John Wheat]

Bury never said that, did he? He never actually confessed to being the Ripper (putting the graffiti aside), he said he was worried of being suspected as the Ripper.

But Harry considering the Graffiti was clearly written by Bury or his wife. He's either confessed to it or his wife has labelled him The Ripper ergo Bury was Jack. Cheers

[Sam Flynn]

Perhaps she wrote the graffiti as a parting insult before hanging herself, fitting him up as an act of post-mortem revenge?

[Harry D]

Perhaps she wrote the graffiti as a parting insult before hanging herself, fitting him up as an act of post-mortem revenge?

If Ellen was semi-literate, that might explain the "Jack Ripper" misspelling.

[John Wheat]

Perhaps she wrote the graffiti as a parting insult before hanging herself, fitting him up as an act of post-mortem revenge?

Not very plausible Sam

[Sam Flynn]

Not very plausible Sam

Can't see why not, except Inasmuch as accepting the possibility would require one to drop the idea that Bury was a proven killer. I realise that this could be problematic for some

[Sam Flynn]

If Ellen was semi-literate, that might explain the "Jack Ripper" misspelling.

Indeed. I thought so as well.

[Wyatt Earp]

If the letter Bury wrote in which he confessed to murdering Ellen is admitted into evidence, I don't give him much of a chance.

[Wyatt Earp]

Bury never said that, did he? He never actually confessed to being the Ripper (putting the graffiti aside), he said he was worried of being suspected as the Ripper.

Bury did tell the police that Ellen's body was in the trunk, but the article incorrectly states that Bury told the police he was Jack the Ripper. At Bury's trial, Parr testified that Bury told him he feared being apprehended as the Ripper, not that he actually was the Ripper.

[Abby Normal]

Perhaps she wrote the graffiti as a parting insult before hanging herself, fitting him up as an act of post-mortem revenge?

if the graffiti was there, I'm more inclined to think the neighborhood kids wrote it.

[Wyatt Earp]

Perhaps she wrote the graffiti as a parting insult before hanging herself, fitting him up as an act of post-mortem revenge?

If Ellen was semi-literate, that might explain the "Jack Ripper" misspelling.

I don't think Ellen is plausible candidate for having chalked the graffiti at the back of the residence. If she wanted to tell the world her husband was the Ripper, all she had to do was walk into a police station in Dundee and report him while Bury was off drinking in a pub somewhere. Also, she would only have needed to chalk one message, not two, to accomplish her aim. Finally, Ellen could barely write and it's not believable that she would even have been able to chalk the messages in the two different hands that we see in the messages.

[John Wheat]

Can't see why not, except Inasmuch as accepting the possibility would require one to drop the idea that Bury was a proven killer. I realise that this could be problematic for some

It's a ludicrous scenario Sam. I suppose you're also saying Ellen stabbed herself and put herself in the box.

[Sam Flynn]

It's a ludicrous scenario Sam.

She had an abusive drunk for a husband, who'd uprooted her and taken her to Dundee on false pretences, so it's entirely possible she'd had enough.

I suppose you're also saying Ellen stabbed herself and put herself in the box.

Not at all, Jon. Instead, is it not possible that William came home sozzled, found her dead, and freaked out?