WH Bury Problems

[Columbo]

Hi Colombo

I'm not sure what you mean by admission of guilt. If you mean Bury never admitted being guilty of being JTR this is far from certain. If the chalk messages were written by Bury that could be seen as an admission of guilt and we simply don't know if Bury admitted his guilt to James Berry. Also is the strangulation followed by mutilation of Ellen Bury really a weak point when you consider how few Ripper suspects have a proven history of violence let alone murder with a knife and with similar MO to four of the C5?

Cheers John

Hi John,
The confession of his wife's killing has been used as a reason he couldn't be JTR and people have also used the lack of some of the JTR murder characteristics as points against him as well. That's all I was pointing out.

Columbo

[John Wheat]

Hi John,
The confession of his wife's killing has been used as a reason he couldn't be JTR and people have also used the lack of some of the JTR murder characteristics as points against him as well. That's all I was pointing out.

Columbo

Fair enough Columbo.

Cheers John

[Fisherman]

True, but let's hypothesize some. What if he was a multiple personality disorder victim? what if he was a drug addict that blacked out when high.

Everyone knows the biggest challenge with Bury is his admission of guilt and method of killing his wife. Does that completely exonerate him of JTR?

Columbo

No, it does not. I cannot even completely exonerate Amelia Cox of 29 Hanbury Street of being JTR. But I can say that she is very, very unlikely to have been JTR. Bury is less unlikely - he is in fact a person of some little interest - but he is nevertheless an unlikely JTR just the same. And that is why we need to hypothesize a good deal to enhance his chances.

[John Wheat]

No, it does not. I cannot even completely exonerate Amelia Cox of 29 Hanbury Street of being JTR. But I can say that she is very, very unlikely to have been JTR. Bury is less unlikely - he is in fact a person of some little interest - but he is nevertheless an unlikely JTR just the same. And that is why we need to hypothesize a good deal to enhance his chances.

I cannot exonerate Lechmere of being JTR but I can say he is very, very unlikely to have been JTR. Possibly marginally more likely to have been JTR than Amelia Cox of 29 Hanbury Street. Bury now he could quite easily have been JTR.

[Rainbow]

let alone murder with a knife and with similar MO to four of the C5?

Cheers John

to four of the C5 ?!!!!

Bury's murder looks like a joke when you compare it to Eddowes and Kelly's murders or even Chapmans..

He was indoor and had all the time to do whatever his sick imagination wanted...

even the position of the victims was important when you approach Jack's real MO

Not a strangled woman found in a box...?!


Rainbow°

[Harry D]

Did Bury live in the East End during the murders? Yes.

Did Bury have the means to travel back & forth from Bow to Whitechapel? Yes.

Was Bury a murderer? Yes.

Was he a post-mortem mutilator? Yes.

Did the murders stop/subside after he left London? Yes.

[John Wheat]

to four of the C5 ?!!!!

Bury's murder looks like a joke when you compare it to Eddowes and Kelly's murders or even Chapmans..

He was indoor and had all the time to do whatever his sick imagination wanted...

even the position of the victims was important when you approach Jack's real MO

Not a strangled woman found in a box...?!


Rainbow°

Yes but Bury was murdering his wife. Why would he hang himself? Whereas Lechmere for instance the murder of his wife...oh yeah wait Lechmere has no recorded history of violence.

[John Wheat]

Did Bury live in the East End during the murders? Yes.

Did Bury have the means to travel back & forth from Bow to Whitechapel? Yes.

Was Bury a murderer? Yes.

Was he a post-mortem mutilator? Yes.

Did the murders stop/subside after he left London? Yes.

Hi Harry

All just coincidences unlike the coincidence of finding a body or happening to live and work near a bunch of murders in an extremely dense population.

Cheers John

[Harry D]

Hi Harry

All just coincidences unlike the coincidence of finding a body or happening to live and work near a bunch of murders in an extremely dense population.

Cheers John

Check your PMs please, John.

[Rainbow]

Yes but Bury was murdering his wife. Why would he hang himself? Whereas Lechmere for instance the murder of his wife...oh yeah wait Lechmere has no recorded history of violence.

Exactly John, we are not looking for a man who happened to kill his wife... this is not our guy, Jack was not a random bad guy John, we are looking for a special bad person with a specific character who wanted to challenge the community and the police at the time with his crimes ..

a man who wanted to mutilate and expose those poor women to the public, in a manner that gives him the pleasuer and satisfaction he was seeking and would spread the horror all around...

He was hiding there... between those ordinary people, enjoying their fears and reading their thoughts.. studying the movement of the policemen and the excitement of the moments..


Bury was a good man comparing to him.. and he paid his life for his guilt that he admitted.



Rainbow°

[Columbo]

Exactly John, we are not looking for a man who happened to kill his wife... this is not our guy, Jack was not a random bad guy John, we are looking for a special bad person with a specific character who wanted to challenge the community and the police at the time with his crimes ..

a man who wanted to mutilate and expose those poor women to the public, in a manner that gives him the pleasuer and satisfaction he was seeking and would spread the horror all around...

He was hiding there... between those ordinary people, enjoying their fears and reading their thoughts.. studying the movement of the policemen and the excitement of the moments..


Bury was a good man comparing to him.. and he paid his life for his guilt that he admitted.



Rainbow°

We have no idea what kind of guy we're looking for. It could've been a wife killer, wife beater, kid beater or someone who just decided to kill. You have no idea if he wanted to challenge the police or not, or if he just wanted to see the inside of a woman. Nice try at profiling but I don't think it works here.

Columbo

[Rainbow]

We have no idea what kind of guy we're looking for. It could've been a wife killer, wife beater, kid beater or someone who just decided to kill.
Columbo

Who said you have at all any idea ?!

you are swimming in the dark......



Rainbow°

[Columbo]

Who said you have at all any idea ?!

you are swimming in the dark......



Rainbow°

Thanks, coming from you that means absolutely nothing. I don't have any idea, we're just discussing possibilities.

Columbo

[paul g]

Just on the subject of comparing the C5 murders and the murder of Bury's wife by Bury.
There are similarities and one observation I have is when Jack was killing in the east end to a degree there was some planning. The fact that Jack left where ever he lived late at night armed with a knife and materials to strangle took planning no matter weather he suffered from mental issues or not they were to a degree planned .
When bury murdered his wife it was possible he flipped and murdered straight away without planning, but still similarities to the C5.

[Harry D]

The problem is that Jack the Ripper was very rare.

Abdominal mutilation is itself a rare fetish for a killer, and one that Bury happened to 'share' with the Whitechapel murderer.