which Barnett was it.

[lynn cates]

link

Hello Heinrich. Thanks.

Here is the link, post #2. Give it a go!

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=3775

Cheers.
LC

[Heinrich]

Hello Heinrich. Gareth Williams once posted a medical estimate of the time for each of MJK's mutilations.

Have you checked into that?

I don't know about this, Lynn.

Hi Heinrich,
When discussing Mr Lewis and his sightings, I was referring to the evening of the 8TH between 10-11pm, when he claimed to have seen Mary drinking with Dan and some women, one of them named Julia. ... His alleged sighting in the morning would be relevant ,only if Maxwell's version was factual.

His sighting of Mary Kelly having a jolly time in a pub less than an hour before her cold mutilated body was discovered in her home makes him an unreliable witness.

The actual mutilation of poor Kelly, may not have taken as long as many adhere to, it didn't take long to make a real mess of Eddowes , if one multiplied that by 5, the killer could have left the court , with minutes to spare.

There is no good reason to believe Mary Kelly was murdered only minutes before the discovery of her remains.

[richardnunweek]

Hi Heinrich,
When discussing Mr Lewis and his sightings, I was referring to the evening of the 8TH between 10-11pm, when he claimed to have seen Mary drinking with Dan and some women, one of them named Julia.
She was medically alive at that point, and is irrelevant to the alleged morning fiasco.
My point was if he saw Joe Barnett,then that person was being dishonest, when he said he never saw Kelly after 730pm.
If he was being honest, then clearly Joe's brother Dan was her drinking companion, but we have no record of him being interviewed by the police,or reported in the press.
I was suggesting...that one would have thought, he would have been able to fill in a few gaps ,but apparently he did not.
His alleged sighting in the morning would be relevant ,only if Maxwell's version was factual.
The actual mutilation of poor Kelly, may not have taken as long as many adhere to, it didn't take long to make a real mess of Eddowes , if one multiplied that by 5, the killer could have left the court , with minutes to spare.
Regards Richard.

[lynn cates]

times

Hello Heinrich. Gareth Williams once posted a medical estimate of the time for each of MJK's mutilations.

Have you checked into that?

Cheers.
LC

[Heinrich]

Hello Heinrich,

'accepted time of death'?

Please do correct me if I am wrong, but the Coroner, amazingly, terminated the inquest without a 'time of death' recorded.

So any previous thought by anyone, especially unofficial estimates, cannot be called the 'accepted time of death'. ...

Considering the gross mutilation of Mary Kelly's body discovered at 10:45 that morning, there is no possible way under the sun that she had been drinking in a pub at 10 o'clock. Anyone who says different was either lying or remembering a blurred vision through an alcoholic stupor.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Heinrich,

'accepted time of death'?

Please do correct me if I am wrong, but the Coroner, amazingly, terminated the inquest without a 'time of death' recorded.

So any previous thought by anyone, especially unofficial estimates, cannot be called the 'accepted time of death'.

Best wishes

Pěl

[Heinrich]

...
Maurice Lewis claimed to have seen Mary Kelly in The horn and plenty, between 10pm-11pm Thursday 8TH, she was with another woman , and Dan, the latter being the man who she had lived with until recently,and who sold oranges in the markets.

Maurice Lewis, a tailor, reported seeing Kelly at about 10:00 a.m. on 9th November in a pub, just 45 minutes before he badly mutilated body was discovered at her home. This statement was rightly dismissed by the police since it did not fit the accepted time of death; moreover, it could not be corroborated by any other witness.

Many will say Mr Lewis is a unreliable source ...

Include me.

[richardnunweek]

Hi.
Just a observation, which needs to be addressed.
Maurice Lewis claimed to have seen Mary Kelly in The horn and plenty, between 10pm-11pm Thursday 8TH, she was with another woman , and Dan, the latter being the man who she had lived with until recently,and who sold oranges in the markets.
According to Barnett, he last saw Kelly around 730pm 8TH, so that being correct would mean it was not him that he saw but Barnett's brother Dan , as he initially said, and Lewis mistook him for Kelly's ex, which is understandable as they most likely would have been all together at times.
However why did not Dan come forward to describe events, we have no knowledge of him being questioned,or giving evidence at the inquest.
Maybe it was Barnett, and he still played cards back at his lodgings , but why did he lie about seeing Mary after 730pm?
Many will say Mr Lewis is a unreliable source, but if one uses behaviour patterns, truth does emerge from a lot Lewis states, for instance..I was playing pitch and toss in the court around 10am, [ an illegal game[.
Why admit that, just for the hell of it?
He clearly knew Kelly had been involved with a Barnett,he knew Julia, and he would hardly involve the man he called Dan in his fairy -tales...
This has not been discussed before, so I have brought it to attention.
Regards Richard.