The Goulston Street Juwes

[Trevor Marriott]

Why would someone intending to make a point about jurors leave his message at the entrance to a dwelling inhabited by Jews?

You ask a question to which there is no definitive answer

Perhaps one of the Jewish residents was a juror.

If the message was not directed at the Jews as I suggest. then it wouldn't have mattered where the message was left, and how do we know that all the residents of the flats were all Jewish?

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[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

The connection between the Goulston Street and Pinchin Street graffiti is that they sought to blame the Jews.

That does not necessarily mean those murders were connected.

[Abby Normal]

Wasn't the Lipski case well known before the ripper though, then you have the BS man lipski comment and subsequent reporting? Does writing Lipski really identify the same person, could it have already been there, could someone have just used lipski to pass the torso off as the ripper? There are no other cahlk messages that I know of that contain a single word. Could be was the only thing someone could remeber to copy from the earlier murders? If people have issues with accepting the GSG was by the ripper, it is even more the case here IMO. You won't be suprised to know that I prefer the other crime scene chalk message that contains an obvious, and I'm sure deliberate spelling mistake!

HI wulf
Personally, Im at 95% the ripper wrote the GSG. It was found right above the bloody rag, and disparages jews, who had interupted the ripper that night.
Re the Berner street Lipski grafitti, I dont know enough about it-like how close it was to the torso-to make any definite conclusions about probability of it written by the killer of that victim. Perhaps Jerry or someone else can chime in on it.

However, that disparaging jewish graffitti was found at both sites, does indicate a possible link, ie. that the same man did both crimes.Especially considering the ripper yelled lipski at the stride scene too.

I have for several years now leaned toward the ripper and torsoman being the same person, for many reasons, and that disparging jewish grafitti was found at both sites is another similarity that could indicate a link between them.

It would be nice to know more info on the Pinchin lipski grafitti to determine the possibility of it written by the pinchin killer.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

They might get caught !

Let me break it down and you and others will see how it makes sense

The Jurors are the men (Only men sat on juries in 1888)
That will be blamed for nothing (Juries sit and hear evidence in court then they retire to consider their verdict)
If a juror had sat in on a trial and the accused had been found guilty and a member of the accused family had been able to identify the juror and he had been abused by friends or family of the accused then he could have written the graffiti, which then makes perfect sense because the jurors were simply carrying out their lawful duty and should not be blamed for doing so.

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Why would someone intending to make a point about jurors leave his message at the entrance to a dwelling inhabited by Jews?

[Aethelwulf]

again Jerry your attention to detail, knowledge of the cases and knowing the right questions to ask is bar none. to me disparaging jewish grafitti found at both sites links them to the same killer.

Wasn't the Lipski case well known before the ripper though, then you have the BS man lipski comment and subsequent reporting? Does writing Lipski really identify the same person, could it have already been there, could someone have just used lipski to pass the torso off as the ripper? There are no other cahlk messages that I know of that contain a single word. Could be was the only thing someone could remeber to copy from the earlier murders? If people have issues with accepting the GSG was by the ripper, it is even more the case here IMO. You won't be suprised to know that I prefer the other crime scene chalk message that contains an obvious, and I'm sure deliberate spelling mistake!

[Trevor Marriott]

Would it not make more sense for someone disgruntled about a court's verdict to leave graffiti on or near the court building?

They might get caught !

Let me break it down and you and others will see how it makes sense

The Jurors are the men (Only men sat on juries in 1888)
That will be blamed for nothing (Juries sit and hear evidence in court then they retire to consider their verdict)
If a juror had sat in on a trial and the accused had been found guilty and a member of the accused family had been able to identify the juror and he had been abused by friends or family of the accused then he could have written the graffiti, which then makes perfect sense because the jurors were simply carrying out their lawful duty and should not be blamed for doing so.

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[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

French. The killer was definitely French.

Why would a Frenchman write a message in English, in which only one word - that word not being a word borrowed from French - is French?

[seanr]

The murderer's choice of words look to me more like those of a German than of an Englishman.

Therefore we place a dot about the third upstroke in the word Juwes, and we find it to be Juives, which is the French word for Jews. Strictly and grammatically speaking, of course, it is the feminine form of Juifs and means “Jewesses.” But in practice it will be found that (Frenchmen being notoriously the worst linguists in the world) most Frenchmen who are not littérateurs or men of science are very inaccurate as to their genders. And almost all the ouvrier and a large majority of the bourgeois class use the feminine where the word should be masculine. Even the Emperor Napoleon the III was a great sinner in this respect, as his voluminous correspondence amply shows.

Therefore, it is evident that the native language - or to be more accurate, the language in which this murder thinks - is French.

The murderer is therefore a Frenchman.

It may here be argued that both Swiss and Belgians make French almost their mother-tongue; but Flemish is the natural and usual vehicle for the latter, while the idiosyncrasy of both those nationalities is adverse to this class of crime.

On the contrary, in France the murdering of prostitutes has long been practised and has been considered to be almost peculiarly a French crime.

French. The killer was definitely French.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I don't see anything in the sentence structure or cadence here that would indicate a German writer.

I do, but do not mind having a polite disagreement about anything with anyone.

[Darryl Kenyon]

Plenty of posters here have suggested that the writer of the GSG was a Jewish immigrant, but I did not notice any objection from you on the ground that the GSG was written in English rather than Yiddish.

Very good attempt at turning it around.

[Ms Diddles]

The murderer's choice of words look to me more like those of a German than of an Englishman.

Hi P.I!

My German is a little rusty these days, but I spoke it pretty fluently when I was younger and spending a lot of time there.

I don't see anything in the sentence structure or cadence here that would indicate a German writer.

To me the double negative sounds very English / native Londoner (or potentially an immigrant who has picked up the local dialect).

I'm just not getting "German" from it at all.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Except he wrote - The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing [ if indeed that was the exact wording ] . Not - Die Juden sind die Männer, denen man nichts vorwerfen kann

Plenty of posters here have suggested that the writer of the GSG was a Jewish immigrant, but I did not notice any objection from you on the ground that the GSG was written in English rather than Yiddish.

[Darryl Kenyon]

The murderer's choice of words look to me more like those of a German than of an Englishman.

Except he wrote - The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing [ if indeed that was the exact wording ] . Not - Die Juden sind die Männer, denen man nichts vorwerfen kann

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Why do people write graffiti per see?

The addresses of jurors are not disclosed in a court

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Would it not make more sense for someone disgruntled about a court's verdict to leave graffiti on or near the court building?

[DJA]

Why do people write graffiti per see?

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Doesn't sound very lucrative.