The Goulston Street Juwes

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

How do you know it was a he ? For what its worth I doubt the ripper wrote it.

And let's say Jack did write the message, as you believe, and he was a Germanic/Nordic sailor as you suggest . He seems to have a good grasp of English if Jews was the only word he didn't spell correctly. .

I am sure the GSG was written by the murderer because:

(1) It was written on the inside of the jamb, roughly perpendicular to the street, and was therefore almost pointing to the apron.

(2) The ant-Jewish accusation Lipski was chalked opposite the arch in Pinchin Street where a body was found, as reported by the East London Observer three days later: Whether done before the discovery or after no one seems to know, but the name was there.

No-one, it seems, could remember seeing the writing there before the murder.

We know that the GSG was near the bloody apron piece shortly after it was deposited in Goulston Street.

Where are the witnesses who remembered seeing the graffito in Goulston Street before the murder of Catherine Eddowes?

(3) The GSG, like the graffito in Pinchin Street, was accusatory, with two definite articles applied to the Jews and mention of blame.

(4) Coroner: Did the writing have the appearance of having been recently done?

Halse: Yes. It was written with white chalk on a black facia.

Coroner: Why do you say that it seemed to have been recently written?

Halse: It looked fresh, and if it had been done long before it would have been rubbed out by the people passing.



Most of the words in the GSG were Germanic and would have been familiar to a German:

The = der
Juwes = Juden
men = Männer / Menschen
that = das
will = will
not = nicht
thing = ding


The message actually makes more sense if it were written by a German than an Englishman.

[DJA]

Rhotacism - Wikipedia

[Aethelwulf]

Am I the only person round here who has heard of rhotacism?

M.

fear of rotis, fear of rotas?

Whatever it is, Trevor is talking rubbish as usual.

[DJA]

Sounds nasty.

Do you think Trev has it?

[Mark J D]

The two sounds in jurors if you were to write in phonetically are 'dju' and 'ruz'

Am I the only person round here who has heard of rhotacism?

M.

[Aethelwulf]

It would all depend on how the writer believed the word jurors was spelt as it was spoken, the words juwes in my opinion could easily mean jurors

I think you should roll the word jurors on your tongue and see how it sounds in comparison to juwes you might be surprised

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

The two sounds in jurors if you were to write in phonetically are 'dju' and 'ruz' - you cannot get around the fact that there is no 'r' sound in juwes. It doesn't work. As I said if they really didn't know how to spell the word it would most likely have been written down as 'juwrers' or similar.

Makes a nice pair for the double event though I'll give you that - sanitary towel and jurors.

[Trevor Marriott]

Are you joking? Why would anyone mistake a two syllable word for a one syllable word that sounds and looks nothing like Jurors? Jurors and Jews/Juwes are not even remotley similar.

It would have more likely been 'juwerers' if that was the case.

It would all depend on how the writer believed the word jurors was spelt as it was spoken, the words juwes in my opinion could easily mean jurors

I think you should roll the word jurors on your tongue and see how it sounds in comparison to juwes you might be surprised

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[DJA]

The jurors are not the men to be blamed for nothing

[Aethelwulf]

This is based on the fact that all juries in criminal trials in 1888 were made up of men so the wording of the graffiti makes perfect sense to this plausible explanation

Are you joking? Why would anyone mistake a two syllable word for a one syllable word that sounds and looks nothing like Jurors? Jurors and Jews/Juwes are not even remotley similar.

It would have more likely been 'juwerers' if that was the case.

[Trevor Marriott]

How do you know it was a he ? For what its worth I doubt the ripper wrote it.

I also dont think the killer wrote it either so if that be the case there has to be an explanation for the graffiti and its meaning. The graffiti cannot be connected to any of the murders past or present

I have postulated a plausible explanation previously and that is based on the fact that the writer wrote the words juwes intending to write the words jurors and he wrote the word juwes how he believed the word jurors how it is pronounced but got the spelling wrong

This is based on the fact that all juries in criminal trials in 1888 were made up of men so the wording of the graffiti makes perfect sense to this plausible explanation

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Darryl Kenyon]

By the time he wrote the GSG, the standard spelling was Jews and the only explanation for his spelling of Jews as Juwes is that he did not know how to spell it.

How do you know it was a he ? For what its worth I doubt the ripper wrote it.

And let's say Jack did write the message, as you believe, and he was a Germanic/Nordic sailor as you suggest . He seems to have a good grasp of English if Jews was the only word he didn't spell correctly. .

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I don't know why you could not reply to my last post, # 87, instead of posting two entirely irrelevant comments.

[DJA]

Spelt

[DJA]

“Did You Lose the Keys Here?” “No, But the Light Is Much Better Here” – Quote Investigator®

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Full text of "Piers Plowman: A Contribution to the History of English Mysticism"

Might be worth a read.

I don't know why you took so long to find an example of the use of Juwes in literature and, moreover, in the meantime threatened to report me instead.

In the link you provided, there are four examples of the use of Jewes and three of Juwes.

In the version of Piers Plowman to which I referred there were 46 examples of Jewes and none of Juwes.

All this proves is that before spelling became standardised, people spelled words as they wished.

I do not think you are going to argue that the author of the GSG had read Piers Plowman and coincidentally read the version in which Jews is spelled Juwes.

By the time he wrote the GSG, the standard spelling was Jews and the only explanation for his spelling of Jews as Juwes is that he did not know how to spell it.