The Goulston Street Juwes

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    Yet another irrelevant post from you.

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  • DJA
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    Frisian languages - Wikipedia

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post


    Do you think (sic) that Juwes was the word written in the GSG?

    Yes.

    If you don't think so, then your suggestion that Douwe Juwes de Dowe may have been Jewish is irrelevant.



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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post

    Where is the evidence that Douwe Juwes de Dowe was a member of the Jewish community, that he registered as being Jewish, or that he had Jewish ancestry?

    Where is the evidence that the word Juwes exists in Hebrew or Yiddish or has ever been a Jewish name?

    Lost in the mists of times.

    Do you think (sic) that Juwes was the word written in the GSG?

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    In fact there was a significant Jewish population.
    Where is the evidence that Douwe Juwes de Dowe was a member of the Jewish community, that he registered as being Jewish, or that he had Jewish ancestry?

    Where is the evidence that the word Juwes exists in Hebrew or Yiddish or has ever been a Jewish name?

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  • DJA
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    [QUOTE=PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1;n809663

    Almost the entire population of Leeuwarden at that time were Christians and, moreover, Jews were required by the City Elders
    to register their presence in the city during the time that de Dowe lived there.[/QUOTE]

    In fact there was a significant Jewish population.

    The main concern was with the Roman Catholic residents.

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    In fact,the Jews of that time had their own language.

    There is no record of him not being Jewish.

    Juwes is not a word in either the Hebrew or Yiddish languages.

    In Dutch and Frisian, the w in uw is pronounced as in English.

    There is no English w sound in either Hebrew or Yiddish.

    The idea that Juwes was a Yiddish word was disproven in 1888 and I am surprised you should try to revive the idea.


    It is unusual to suggest that a person may have been Jewish on the ground that there is no record of his not being Jewish.

    Almost the entire population of Leeuwarden at that time were Christians and, moreover, Jews were required by the City Elders
    to register their presence in the city during the time that de Dowe lived there.

    If he had been Jewish, there would be a record somewhere.


    None of your points is relevant.
    Last edited by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1; 05-11-2023, 09:57 AM.

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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post



    The Dutch word meaning Jews is, as I stated, Joden.

    The Frisian word meaning Jews is Joaden, which is almost identical to the Dutch.

    There is no reason to suppose that Douwe Juwes de Dowe was of Jewish extraction.

    In 1645, when de Dowe was living in Leeuwarden, the city fathers ordered all Jews residing in the town to register.

    There is no record of de Dowe being Jewish.

    If he had been of Jewish extraction, one could reasonably have expected someone to have found some evidence of it, as has happened with other famous persons in the last few centuries.

    Neither of your points is relevant.

    In fact,the Jews of that time had their own language.

    There is no record of him not being Jewish.

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    He was Fresian.

    There is nothing to show he was not of Jewish extraction.

    There remains a ferry service between Hull and Friesland.


    The Dutch word meaning Jews is, as I stated, Joden.

    The Frisian word meaning Jews is Joaden, which is almost identical to the Dutch.

    There is no reason to suppose that Douwe Juwes de Dowe was of Jewish extraction.

    In 1645, when de Dowe was living in Leeuwarden, the city fathers ordered all Jews residing in the town to register.

    There is no record of de Dowe being Jewish.

    If he had been of Jewish extraction, one could reasonably have expected someone to have found some evidence of it, as has happened with other famous persons in the last few centuries.

    Neither of your points is relevant.

    Last edited by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1; 05-11-2023, 08:57 AM.

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  • DJA
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    Might have been another TV show

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  • Al Bundy's Eyes
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    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    He was Fresian.

    There is nothing to show he was not of Jewish extraction.

    There remains a ferry service between Hull and Friesland.
    Didn't a gang of Cockney diamond smugglers try using this route in the 80's?

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  • DJA
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    Originally posted by PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1 View Post


    Douwe Juwes de Dowe (1608–1662).

    He was not of Jewish extraction.

    The Dutch word meaning Jews is Joden.
    He was Fresian.

    There is nothing to show he was not of Jewish extraction.

    There remains a ferry service between Hull and Friesland.

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  • PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1
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    Originally posted by Errata View Post

    Wasn't there a dutch painter named Juwes?

    Douwe Juwes de Dowe (1608–1662).

    He was not of Jewish extraction.

    The Dutch word meaning Jews is Joden.

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  • The Good Michael
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    Originally posted by David Orsam View Post
    Yes, this is perfectly true, albeit rarely used outside of the seventeenth century, but if you go far enough back you will also find "Juwes" as a correct spelling in Old English literature.
    Oh I doubt our author could read Old English, let alone Middle English, but he (she) may have done well with modern Elizabethan English and this is where I was headed with this. Thompson? Probably not, but fuel for that particular fire.

    Mike

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  • GUT
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    I think it says Jude's, and was written by Lenon to encourage McCartney to write a new song.

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