The Goulston Street Juwes

[Scott Nelson]

The residents would have denied the writing was there even if they'd seen it.

[David Orsam]

It was used by Puritans and was also used in literature, though uncommon.

Yes, this is perfectly true, albeit rarely used outside of the seventeenth century, but if you go far enough back you will also find "Juwes" as a correct spelling in Old English literature.

[Geddy2112]

The residents would have denied the writing was there even if they'd seen it.

So in reality it could have been there hours or even days (highly unlikely) before the crucial time..

[Abby Normal]

So in reality it could have been there hours or even days (highly unlikely) before the crucial time..

Hi Geddy and scott

why would they deny it if they had seen it before?

if they had seen it at all, they would have wiped it off, maybe even reported it as an act of vandalism.

lets use some common sense here folks.

OK-lets try it this way-if you walked out your door and saw graffiti(in chalk no less-easy to get rid of) written in your doorway-what would you do? right. wipe it off.

That graffiti never saw the light of day.

[spyglass]

Hi,
When I started this thread, I was thinking along the lines of the word " Juwes" could be a family name or a mis-spelling of a name, using Jewiss as an example.
Some years back, someone posted a modern day photo taken roughly around the same area.
In chalk it simply said " Juwes I do care 4 you " this has always stuck on my mind because Juwes is obviously someone's name in this instance.

Regards

[Scott Nelson]

why would they deny it if they had seen it before?

Because they were scared. Graffiti written probably 6 to 8 hours before it was found by police, maybe seen by a few residents in the evening hours of the 29th, they didn't want to attract any further attention to their building. Better to just say they never noticed it before.

[Harry D]

Hi,
When I started this thread, I was thinking along the lines of the word " Juwes" could be a family name or a mis-spelling of a name, using Jewiss as an example.
Some years back, someone posted a modern day photo taken roughly around the same area.
In chalk it simply said " Juwes I do care 4 you " this has always stuck on my mind because Juwes is obviously someone's name in this instance.

Regards

I believe you're referencing this video:

https://youtu.be/Va9FFPHBv4g

If you skip to the end, you'll see the graffiti in question.

[Errata]

Hi,
When I started this thread, I was thinking along the lines of the word " Juwes" could be a family name or a mis-spelling of a name, using Jewiss as an example.
Some years back, someone posted a modern day photo taken roughly around the same area.
In chalk it simply said " Juwes I do care 4 you " this has always stuck on my mind because Juwes is obviously someone's name in this instance.

Regards

Wasn't there a dutch painter named Juwes?

[David Orsam]

I believe you're referencing this video:

https://youtu.be/Va9FFPHBv4g

If you skip to the end, you'll see the graffiti in question.

I don't want to start a new debate about THIS graffiti but I just want to offer up one possibility.

Perhaps an anti-semitic person wrote:

JUWES
I DON'T
CARE
4 U

to which a local resident rubbed out the part of the word "DON'T" to turn it into "DO".

There's certainly a space for it (as you can see).

Just a thought.

[Abby Normal]

I don't want to start a new debate about THIS graffiti but I just want to offer up one possibility.

Perhaps an anti-semitic person wrote:

JUWES
I DON'T
CARE
4 U

to which a local resident rubbed out the part of the word "DON'T" to turn it into "DO".

There's certainly a space for it (as you can see).

Just a thought.

actually I think it reads:

Judges I do care for you. ; )

sorry couldn't resist.

[David Orsam]

actually I think it reads:

Judges I do care for you. ; )

sorry couldn't resist.

Without wishing to be unnecessarily argumentative Abby, I think it is much more like "Jutes I do care for you". But then again my eyesight and ability to read is only equivalent to that of a nineteenth century police detective, i.e. very poor.

[GUT]

I think it says Jude's, and was written by Lenon to encourage McCartney to write a new song.

[The Good Michael]

Yes, this is perfectly true, albeit rarely used outside of the seventeenth century, but if you go far enough back you will also find "Juwes" as a correct spelling in Old English literature.

Oh I doubt our author could read Old English, let alone Middle English, but he (she) may have done well with modern Elizabethan English and this is where I was headed with this. Thompson? Probably not, but fuel for that particular fire.

Mike

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

Wasn't there a dutch painter named Juwes?

Douwe Juwes de Dowe (1608–1662).

He was not of Jewish extraction.

The Dutch word meaning Jews is Joden.

[DJA]

Douwe Juwes de Dowe (1608–1662).

He was not of Jewish extraction.

The Dutch word meaning Jews is Joden.

He was Fresian.

There is nothing to show he was not of Jewish extraction.

There remains a ferry service between Hull and Friesland.