The broken window

[Simon Wood]

Hi curious4,

So it might be true.

The bogeyman was hiding under the bed.

Regards,

Simon

[Phil Carter]

Of course if they thought the murderer might still be hiding in the room somewhere, going in with an axe might not be a bad idea. Don't know how much of the room could be seen from the window with the coat hanging in front of it but it's possible the police couldn't see into every corner (or under the bed even).

C4

The room was tiny. I have a feeling that would have been impossible. Unless the killer was under the bed. Besides.
With everyone peeping through the window.. I'm sure any movement. .noise..would have been heard in the course of two hours?

I have never seen the possibility mentioned anywhere that this thought had come to mind. Have you? Therefore I know of no evidence to back up the possibility.



Phil

[Phil Carter]

I did suggest a 13 year old would work it out in 5 minutes

It was 1972. I was 14..so it probably took 4 mins. .lol ��



Phil

[DJA]

Morning Simon,

You do realise you will now he told one of the following. .

Warren was otherwise occupied and could not respond immediately
Phil

Could be on a winner there.

[curious4]

Under the bed

Of course if they thought the murderer might still be hiding in the room somewhere, going in with an axe might not be a bad idea. Don't know how much of the room could be seen from the window with the coat hanging in front of it but it's possible the police couldn't see into every corner (or under the bed even).

C4

[DJA]

All before the age of the Internet, please note.

Phil

I did suggest a 13 year old would work it out in 5 minutes

[Phil Carter]

Hi All,

Abberline told the inquest he had received an intimation from Inspector Beck that the bloodhounds were on the way.

Landlord John McCarthy told Central News—“The Inspector [Abberline] waited a little while, and then sent a telegram to Sir Charles Warren to bring the bloodhounds, so as to trace the murderer, if possible.”

Regards,

Simon

Morning Simon,

You do realise you will now he told one of the following. .
Either McCarthy got the inspectors name wrong.
Or
The newspaper invented the comment
Or
Abberline clearly knew nothing of the reality of the bloodhounds whereabouts
Or
Warren was otherwise occupied and could not respond immediately
Or
Any other reason that seems logical enough to deflect from anything untoward happening that morning from the side of the Met Police.

Does it ever make you wonder why people continually try to keep doing this, despite the ever mounting evidence to the contrary?

Have a good breakfast. ☺



Phil

[Phil Carter]

And here is another couple of observations.

The landlord was present. He knew about the window.
He would also know what to type of lock the door had.
There is a possibility that the landlord would have an extra key.

So..If the idea of entering the place via an axe of sorts is used..It is very simple to imagine that the hole the axe made would be for reaching in and unlocking the door.

I ask again. If that were the purpose of gaining entry, however long they had waited..why not simply take out the rest of the broken pane of glass instead?

No need for an axe. No need for the door to be destroyed either.

I know I'm not a qualified policeman... but this isn't rocket science.

Yet nobody..not one person of the very many...thought of it.
And guess what. .I thought of that over four decades ago when I first read about the murder in Millers Court.

Please tell me this is quite normal, practical thinking?
All before the age of the Internet, please note.



Phil

[Simon Wood]

Hi DJA,

You are DJA, David is David Awesome.

Hi All,

Abberline told the inquest he had received an intimation from Inspector Beck that the bloodhounds were on the way.

Landlord John McCarthy told Central News—“The Inspector [Abberline] waited a little while, and then sent a telegram to Sir Charles Warren to bring the bloodhounds, so as to trace the murderer, if possible.”

Regards,

Simon

[DJA]

Was simply agreeing with you.

Warren was prolly back to clear out his desk

Edit. Honestly sorry. Thought you were addressing me.

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

I am thinking no such thing.

I merely offered a couple of documented facts and made an observation.

Here's another.

There was direct telegraph communication between Commercial Street police station and Scotland Yard, yet over an hour passed before Warren was advised of the murder.

Regards,

Simon

[DJA]

I'm wondering why you appear to think Sir Charles Warren should have been talking about dogs to the Home Office when he was simply informing them of the murder and who was in charge of the investigation.

Nice to see Anderson back from France.

Suppose the day after his resignation Warren needed to tell Stuart-Wartley and Lushington who was now in charge.

Warren prolly knew there had been no Bloodhound for 10 days.

Meanwhile,back at the ranch.......

[David Orsam]

No mention of Bloodhounds at 12.30 pm, an hour after Inspector Abberline arrived in Millers Court.

I'm wondering why you appear to think Sir Charles Warren should have been talking about dogs to the Home Office when he was simply informing them of the murder and who was in charge of the investigation.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Memo from Sir Charles Warren to Godfrey Lushington, Permanent Under-Secretary, Home Office—

“Mutilated dead body of woman reported to be found this morning inside room of house in Dorset Street, Spitalfields. Information just received (12.30) 9.11.88.”

Warren then wrote to Charles Stuart-Wortley, Under Secretary of State, Home Office, repeating the scant information sent to Lushington and further advising him—

“The matter has been placed in the hands of Mr. Anderson, Assistant Commissioner.”

No mention of Bloodhounds at 12.30 pm, an hour after Inspector Abberline arrived in Millers Court.

Regards,

Simon

[Robert St Devil]

It was the first murder investigated midday so id imagine it could ve been crazy bureaucratic. More of the brass at work. Maybe more "channels" to answer to, need to wait for orders kindathing. The lunchtime crowd gathering. They werent ripperologists so they dont know squat about canonical five. All they know is that they got their butts handed to them for a fourth straight month and nobody knows nuthin'... again. The dogs could ve been a stalling technique but it gave me the impression of being a desperate, showy demonstration.

After looking at Bob Hintons pix, you would have thought that Mary Jane would have left it "on the latch" so she could just push the door open whenever she came home.

Surprised not to see a "homework" comment earlier DIA. Ha. Ha.