The broken window

[DJA]

Anyone know if the house had a coal cellar?

Yet to see any evidence of one.

There were two coal merchants in Dorset Street by memory.

Very familiar with Victorian fireplaces.

Abberline is reported as saying the room was still warm when entered.

Melted kettle,burnt clothing....coal.

Coal would imply Mary had money to burn.

[curious4]

Am sorry, but I am really stretching the limit of my logical mind here. The room was 12ft x 10ft. It was tiny. Swinging a cat would have knocked it unconscious.


Phil

Hello Phil

You are quite right. No evidence whatsoever. However even policemen can fail to think clearly when in shock over what they were seeing. I don't think a pickaxe was strictly necessary to open the door. A hammer and a chisel would have been enough. These weren't robust buildings. Or a locksmith could have been sent for.

Best wishes
C4

[David Orsam]

Hi David,

I am thinking no such thing.

I merely offered a couple of documented facts and made an observation.

Yes, Simon, I know how you operate: hardly ever making a positive point but intimating, implying, suggesting, insinuating, even in your book where I would have expected to find the answers to all these questions.

That's why I carefully didn't say you were thinking anything. I said you appeared to be thinking it, which appearance of thought was an observation of my own.

Here's another.

There was direct telegraph communication between Commercial Street police station and Scotland Yard, yet over an hour passed before Warren was advised of the murder.

Another pointless observation. You don't know when Warren was advised of the murder, you are assuming it was 12.30 on the basis of the telegram he sent. You don't know what he was doing, or where he was, between 11.30 and 12.30 on the day of the Lord Mayor's Parade. But if an hour passed, so what? What are you saying was the advantage to anyone in delaying a communication to the Commissioner of Police about the murder by an hour. Without an answer to this question it is, like I say, another pointless observation.

[c.d.]

Hello Phil,

Do you think any one there had seen something like this before?

c.d.

[curious4]

Hi C4
Do you not suspect she was told that by Kelly?

Hello Packers

Living above Kelly she may well have heard it. And what in the world would Kelly have had to gain by lying about it?

C4

[Phil Carter]

Hello Phil

As they had never come across this type of murderer before, perhaps they didn't know what to think. Or what he would be capable of. Might have crossed their minds that he could be hiding, knife at the ready. Forewarned is forearmed.

Best wishes
C4

Am sorry, but I am really stretching the limit of my logical mind here. The room was 12ft x 10ft. It was tiny. Swinging a cat would have knocked it unconscious.


Phil

[packers stem]

Hello Packers

According to Elizabeth Prater, her neighbour.

C4

Hi C4
Do you not suspect she was told that by Kelly?

[Phil Carter]

Hello Phil,

Is it really hard to believe that after witnessing the horror that they did that rational thought was impaired?

c.d.

Hello c.d.,

Which affected every single person there? Policemen, doctors. .professionals all? Of all ranks?
I suggest that someone kept their senses.



Phil

[Phil Carter]

Hello Simon,

Laughs out loud ��

Phil

[curious4]

The room was tiny. I have a feeling that would have been impossible. Unless the killer was under the bed. Besides.
With everyone peeping through the window.. I'm sure any movement. .noise..would have been heard in the course of two hours?

I have never seen the possibility mentioned anywhere that this thought had come to mind. Have you? Therefore I know of no evidence to back up the possibility.



Phil

Hello Phil

As they had never come across this type of murderer before, perhaps they didn't know what to think. Or what he would be capable of. Might have crossed their minds that he could be hiding, knife at the ready. Forewarned is forearmed.

Best wishes
C4

[c.d.]

Hello Phil,

Is it really hard to believe that after witnessing the horror that they did that rational thought was impaired?

c.d.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

I bought this t-shirt the other day.



I can't think why.

Regards,

Simon

[jerryd]

Anyone know if the house had a coal cellar?

[curious4]

Hi curious4,

So it might be true.

The bogeyman was hiding under the bed.

Regards,

Simon

That's why one should always carry a pickaxe when retiring for the night.
Just in case. I always check under my bed before getting in to it, but no luck so far.

C4

[curious4]

Definitely?? Why?

Hello Packers

According to Elizabeth Prater, her neighbour.

C4