A look at the position of the body of MJK in the covered photo

[TheTypeWriter]

Hi folks, avid writer and reader from UK here. Thought I'd contribute seeing I've been reading the threads for quite a while. Lots of interesting discussions going on.

Here's something I wanted to share. So this crime scene photograph of Mary Jane Kelly, it's hard to figure out at first, I assumed when looking at it before that we were looking at the legs but in fact I think we are looking at the head and body covered in the bloodied bed sheet.

If you see what I mean, the hand would be her right hand. The thumb is visible towards us. Excuse my clumsy drawing but I've attempted to show what I mean.

[Simon Wood]

Hi, The Typewriter,

This not a photograph of the corpse of MJK.

Regards,

Simon

[TheTypeWriter]

Hello Simon, it's not? Who is it? I always thought this was a crime scene photo of her. Thanks for your response.

[Ozzy]

Oh man, notice that TypeWriter is a cadet Simon. People more familiar with your style will get your post, but possibly not a cadet.

TypeWriter - it is a MJK death photo. No way of knowing for sure if it's MJK though, so Simon saying it's not MJK is a theory of his. Possible, but the way he writes he's post just confuses some people if he doesn't elaborate.

I don't see it myself TypeWriter but you could be right.

[DJA]

Hello Simon, it's not? Who is it? I always thought this was a crime scene photo of her. Thanks for your response.

There is no sheet.

That is Mary Kelly wearing a chemise, or what was left of her.

The bed had been moved out from the partition/door and photographed from behind, hence the light from the partially open entry door.

Simon has a dissertation here, "Room 13 Millers Court" with diagrams.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

I thought it was Annie Crook? Maybe that's what Simon meant...

Hi TheTypeWriter, not seeing it myself but I can understand the interpretation. Others have noted the "thumb" before too.

The debate about wether this is actually a photo from the scene or a later mock up is well covered in the MJK3 threads, but in particular answer to your question I'll direct you to the work of the very accomplished Richardh, here:

https://forum.casebook.org/forum/ripper-discussions/victims/mary-jane-kelly/8549-mjk3-again

Also, an interpretation by Simon here:

https://casebook.org/dissertations/room-13-millers-court.html

In case you missed them or such.

[erobitha]

I would say the angle is opposite to what you suggest TW. If we assume her head is out view of the shot on the left then the body is lying as it was photographed more famously and in the same pose. The mystery for me here is has she been moved? Is that a Duvet / Sheet in the top of the picture, which would suggest what we see is the bed? Is she on the floor?

Just read https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...549-mjk3-again it seems to offer all plausible explanations

[Kattrup]

Hi folks, avid writer and reader from UK here. Thought I'd contribute seeing I've been reading the threads for quite a while. Lots of interesting discussions going on.

Here's something I wanted to share. So this crime scene photograph of Mary Jane Kelly, it's hard to figure out at first, I assumed when looking at it before that we were looking at the legs but in fact I think we are looking at the head and body covered in the bloodied bed sheet.

If you see what I mean, the hand would be her right hand. The thumb is visible towards us. Excuse my clumsy drawing but I've attempted to show what I mean.

Hi Typewriter

nice idea, but actually the hand visible in the photo is her left, what you call her thumb is her pinky.
RichardH has done sterling work on the crime scenes, check out this thread which shows an exact overlay between the two photos: https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...ebate#post9723

[TheTypeWriter]

Hi guys thank for the replies, I'll check out the links. *Puts kettle on and settles down*

[TheTypeWriter]

I would say the angle is opposite to what you suggest TW. If we assume her head is out view of the shot on the left then the body is lying as it was photographed more famously and in the same pose. The mystery for me here is has she been moved? Is that a Duvet / Sheet in the top of the picture, which would suggest what we see is the bed? Is she on the floor?

Just read https://forum.casebook.org/forum/rip...549-mjk3-again it seems to offer all plausible explanations

I thought all this time she was on the floor too but now I'm thinking that's a table in the background? I'll go check out these links and hopefully find more info

[TheTypeWriter]

Oh man, notice that TypeWriter is a cadet Simon. People more familiar with your style will get your post, but possibly not a cadet.

TypeWriter - it is a MJK death photo. No way of knowing for sure if it's MJK though, so Simon saying it's not MJK is a theory of his. Possible, but the way he writes he's post just confuses some people if he doesn't elaborate.

I don't see it myself TypeWriter but you could be right.

Do you mean it may not be Mary Kelly based on the eye witness accounts of her being alive after the time of death? It's an interesting theory and one that I have never really found satisfactory answers for myself, another little mystery within a mystery.

[Michael W Richards]

I believe the identification of the deceased as Mary Jane Kelly, with the backstory that is provided by those close to her and by the authorities, has not been proven to have foundation in facts. No-one has ever found the woman as described in the history records, and very good people have tried.

She may have been given, or gave, a fake name and backstory.

[TheTypeWriter]

I believe the identification of the deceased as Mary Jane Kelly, with the backstory that is provided by those close to her and by the authorities, has not been proven to have foundation in facts. No-one has ever found the woman as described in the history records, and very good people have tried.

She may have been given, or gave, a fake name and backstory.

I believe it's likely that MJK wasn't her real name myself. It really is a strange case, so many things don't add up. It's one that certainly raises more questions than answers.

[richardh]

Thanks for the mentions on this post. There is a bit more info and discussion regarding the left/right hand on my blog here:
https://jtr3d.com/2016/01/08/mjk-lef...hand/#more-211

I have quite a lot of animations and 3D stuff on Mary's positioning and the room layout but most of it is not online any more. I'll have a look to see if I can find it and see if there's anything worth posting.

[Ozzy]

Do you mean it may not be Mary Kelly based on the eye witness accounts of her being alive after the time of death? It's an interesting theory and one that I have never really found satisfactory answers for myself, another little mystery within a mystery.

I'm not saying anything TypeWriter.
The picture has came down to us as a crime scene photo of MJK.
But there are theories that it isn't her. I don't have any theory myself.

Simon's post is confusing to people new to the case, as yourself maybe?
Personally, if I had a theory like Simon that the picture wasn't MJK, then I'd reply to your 1st post with something like the picture has came down to us as MJK but I don't believe it is personally.

But he didn't do that, he just put he's theory and I take it he's reply is the reason you sounded confused in your second post. I do like Simon, a lot, but he's reply is just confusing to people new to the forum.