Hanbury Street Back yard photo

[Phil Carter]

Hello Monty,

Happy New year!

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Hello Debs,

I have no qualms with any opinion Debs. What the difference is is entiorely a matter of opinion as well.

As for the pic of "my mate"--err.. you are incorrect.it wasn't-sorry.

As you said, all that aside.. a Happy New year to you Debs

best wishes

Phil

[Monty]

Hello Monty,

Happy New year!

Phil

The same to you Phil.

Monty

[Debra A]

As for the pic of "my mate"--err.. you are incorrect.it wasn't-sorry.

Phil, was it you? Shame on you for getting your knobbly knees out at a murder site.

[Bridewell]

Its all change now Bridewell.

The 'Bells' have altered a tad since you last went, its green now.

Monty

Hi Monty (& Happy New Year)

What's green exactly? My recollection is of Victorian wall tiles. Please don't tell me it's been "modernised / ruined"

[Bridewell]

You Can Still Get It

Stewart,

Here is a video of James Mason in the 1967 film ' The London Nobody Knows ' showing 29 Hanbury Street as it was when Annie Chapman was found before the demolition of the house in the 1970's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GWvAhHdx_8

For those who are interested, "The London Nobody Knows" can be picked up for about £9 on DVD from Ebay.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Tom_Wescott]

London Nobody Knows DVD

Hi Bride,

I purchased the 'London Nobody Knows' years ago, unfortunately, it won't play on American DVD players. Just an FYI for fellow yanks. But it will play on your lap top.

I have to agree with Monty on the above. It seems Phil sees himself as a victim, thus identifies with other 'victims' while demonizing anyone he sees in authority, whether legal authority or someone who commands some measure of respect. When looked at from this perspective, it's rather a compliment when Phil attacks you.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Mr Stu]

London Nobody Knows

And it can be bought on Amazon too - good price I thought

http://www.amazon.co.uk/London-Nobody-Knows-Bicyclettes-Belsize/dp/B000Z63ZNS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325845927&sr=8-1

[Phil Carter]

Hi Bride,

I purchased the 'London Nobody Knows' years ago, unfortunately, it won't play on American DVD players. Just an FYI for fellow yanks. But it will play on your lap top.

I have to agree with Monty on the above. It seems Phil sees himself as a victim, thus identifies with other 'victims' while demonizing anyone he sees in authority, whether legal authority or someone who commands some measure of respect. When looked at from this perspective, it's rather a compliment when Phil attacks you.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hello Tom,

Thank you for your unqualified psychological interpretation of my views.
For the record, I do not see myself as a 'victim' in any way.
I just don't have the same view of the photo mentioned as others. Nothing more. I wouldnt wish to interpret your 'demonizing' either. You are entitled to your views on other people.
I am not into the deliberate 'wind-up-just-for-a-laugh'i business either,,,
Happy New Year!

Best wishes

Phil

[C. F. Leon]

Could Someone please clarify this for a Newbie?

I'm getting the impression that what most people are meaning by a 'door cover' is a vertical object fitting into the door jam. But couldn't the cover be horizontal (even with the ground, I mean), over the down stairs also? I've seen pictures of this sort, usually two shutters that would be padlocked together. And I think Richardson would have been able to check that sort just by looking out.

-- C F Leon

[Ginger]

Could Someone please clarify this for a Newbie?

I'm getting the impression that what most people are meaning by a 'door cover' is a vertical object fitting into the door jam. But couldn't the cover be horizontal (even with the ground, I mean), over the down stairs also? I've seen pictures of this sort, usually two shutters that would be padlocked together. And I think Richardson would have been able to check that sort just by looking out.

-- C F Leon

Hi C.F.

I think the 'wooden cover' that people are discussing is that sort of rooflike thing that you can see in the contemporary crime scene drawings in posts #32 and #33. It looks as though it would have impeded Richardson's view of the cellar door as he stood in the back doorway of the house.

[Beowulf]

Ha. There is a window right about the spot where she was murdered, talk about crust. All one had to do was look out the window to see the murder take place, he seems to have been very content he was not going to be seen, how was that?

Do they know who lived in that apartment? Or any of the apartments, specifically? It would be interesting to hear what the person with the window exactly above the murder might have to say, wonder if it was a bedroom window and they were in there sleeping away...

[Phil H]

It is the extent to which the yard of No 29 was overlooked, and the frequency of movement in the house and yard once dawn broke, that makes me ponder an earlier time for the murder - one more consistent with the times of death of Nichols and Eddowes.

Phil H

[Cogidubnus]

Richardson's knife

Elizabeth Long's evidence, whether you compare with Cadosch or the good doctor, may be dodgy timewise...her identification may in any case not be certain...

Cadosch didn't actually see anything...presumably dominated by his urgent need for the privy he might've actually heard a "No" from anywhere...the thud against the fence could've been a cat...his reputation for honesty (thanks to Colin) is shot to pieces anyway...

OK all this is hindsight but Baxter weighed in favour of these two against the medical evidence...leaving aside the legal mind over the medical mind arguments, why?

I suggest Richardson is actually the key...and assuming Deb's research is correct his evidence may just be tainted by the effects of epililepsy...which depending upon the severity may last just a few seconds, (typically petit mal) or which occasionally may last 10 to 15 minutes...not necesssarily fits as often imagined, but seizures during which nothing recallable registers on the mind...

And what's all this with the knife, which isn't initially mentioned at all, but then in one moment cuts off the offending piece of leather, but the next minute doesn't after all, and which when produced, probably wouldn't even cut up the carrots it was supposedly there for...

Whatever's going down in the back yard of No 29, I don't think Richardson's a particularly reliable source to relay it

All the best

Dave

[DRoy]

Here is a drawing of the front of 29 Hanbury Street from The Adirondack News Nov 3, 1888