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Dutfields Yard interior photograph, 1900
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Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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The cobbles disturb me, greatly.
I'm unhappy with the clothing.
I'm very unhappy with the skyline.
In some illustrations from the period we see three 'pyramid' type roof structures and not two.
The researchers here buggared up the location right from the start because of this.
Up till 1900 the entire property at Berner Street was in the throes of a High Court action between the various renters, and it is highly unlikely that these folks, at each others throats in the High Court would have got together to have the yard resurfaced.
Are the buildings right, Monty?
Is the gate right, Monty?
I think not... old fruit.
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'All the other reports indicate it is fully cobbled yard, with large irregular paving stones along the gutters and smaller ones down the center of the yard.'
Ally, you must have had your head up your asp when you posted that.
See the 'Morning Advertiser', October 2nd 1888, where a Diemschitz who was actually there would beg to differ with your asp.
He described the yard in entirely the opposite way to you.
'Large irregular 'boulders' in the centre between the wheel ruts, and small paving stones along the gutter'.
See George for a perfect driveway job.
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Then you think wrong AP.
Its becoming a constant.
MontyMonty
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Originally posted by Natalie Severn View PostI know the council must have agreed to the altered the name of the road,when Berner Street became Henriques Street and this undoubtedly was to do with the murder in Dutfield"s Yard.
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Hi Monty,
Morning Advertiser, 2nd October 1888—
"The gutter of the yard passage is made of paving stones, the centre being of irregular boulders. The body was lying half on the paving stones."
Illustrated Police News, 6th October 1888—
"The gutter of the yard passage is made of paving stones, the centre being of irregular boulders. The body was lying half on the paving stones."
I think you must mean that either Diemschitz, the Morning Advertiser or Illustrated Police News was wrong.
Regards,
SimonNever believe anything until it has been officially denied.
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Originally posted by John Bennett View PostJust a non-photo related heads up, Nats. Berner Street was renamed Henriques Street following the death of Basil Henriques in 1961. Quite a while after the murder!
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Originally posted by Cap'n Jack View PostSam, I have provided fairly convincing evidence that the yard would not have been resurfaced prior to 1900.
The differentiator between our two opinions is how difficult one imagines (or perhaps I should say, "how difficult one would like to imagine") it would have been to get a barrowfull of cobblestones, and patch any holes or ruts in the yard, during the vasty span of 12 or 13 years. I don't see that possibility as difficult at all.Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Originally posted by Natalie Severn View PostMaybe they heard the Ripper had all along been buried in the vaults of the Black Museum and had recently been dug up again!Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Simon
No, I mean provide me with a description of the yard circa 1900, that would be more relevant.
AP- you have provided no convincing evidence whatsoever, just supposed and suggested based on a 24 hour glimpse. You have erred on certain descriptions as well as other points that, to be frank, you have not studied in as much detail and time as others have. You have been proven wrong on most points.Monty
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