What did Scotland Yard do with the piece of apron from C.Eddowes?

[NOV9]

Is it still on file or did they destroy it?

If it still exist then Jack would have his fingerprints all over it in blood.
Sense they did not have the knowledge of finger printing then but now they do.
Finger printing was discovered back then when he was trolling, but England did not use it then.
And if Jack were in a Prison in a country that did use finger printing he may be on record.

Any takers here?

Nov substitute.

Nov 9 is on assignment, and he let me use his ID to try this site out.

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi there, NOV9's friend

The piece of Catherine Eddowes' apron is apparently no longer in the possession of the police, unfortunately. Yes, I know, another lost piece of evidence.

Chris

[YankeeSergeant]

Finger printing

Hi there, NOV9's friend

The piece of Catherine Eddowes' apron is apparently no longer in the possession of the police, unfortunately. Yes, I know, another lost piece of evidence.

Chris

It's doubtful that any useable fingerprints would have helped. As you rightly point out, fingerprinting was not in use in 1888. In fact though France was experimenting with the bertillon system this too had not crossed to England. O.K. theoretically if the piece of apron were still extant, you could get fingerprints. I say theoretically because you have several people touching and examining this evidence without gloves. Catherine Eddowes, PC Long, Superintendent McWilliam and Jack the Ripper. In the intervening years several clerks etc probably handled it as well. It is doubtful we have prints that can be reliably placed for Jack.There are no extent prints that can be attributed to Eddowes. That Jack the Ripper may have been buckled later on for another crime and printed is possible but there would still be no way to positively link him to Eddowes in a way that would actually stand up in front of a Queen's Bench .

[sdreid]

Could the apron have gone up in the blitz?

[Adam Went]

Fingerprints are of no use if there are no existing prints to match them to, even if the apron was still in existence. I know they were doing tests on Eddowes' shawl not so long ago, one would have thought the apron and shawl would have stayed together, being from the same victim? Whatever the case, it is sad that it's another piece of evidence gone missing.

Cheers,
Adam.

[coburg]

What kind of tests are being run and who is running them?

[Monty]

Its not Eddowes shawl though.

Its a table cloth pretending to be Eddowes shall.

Monty

[Sister Hyde]

i have to agree with Adam on this one, if you have no fingerprints to compare your samples, then it's no use, the blood could have been interesting to analyze though, the blood would be Eddowes, but another blood could have been on it too.

[Robert]

It would be good if the apron had been preserved, but realistically one can't expect the police to have kept a messy, smelly thing like this in 1888.

[Adam Went]

Monty:

Fair enough then, "allegedly" the shawl of Eddowes.

About the best one could hope for if the apron still existed would be to find traces of the killers blood as well as the victims, if he nicked himself, as Sister Hyde suggests - then it might be possible to find out blood types, etc, but that's about the limit of it.

Cheers,
Adam.

[Sister Hyde]

Monty:

Fair enough then, "allegedly" the shawl of Eddowes.

About the best one could hope for if the apron still existed would be to find traces of the killers blood as well as the victims, if he nicked himself, as Sister Hyde suggests - then it might be possible to find out blood types, etc, but that's about the limit of it.

Cheers,
Adam.

Yes and since some suspects havn't left a big family behind, it might be tricky to find descendants now to try a comparaison.

[Monty]

Monty:

Fair enough then, "allegedly" the shawl of Eddowes.

About the best one could hope for if the apron still existed would be to find traces of the killers blood as well as the victims, if he nicked himself, as Sister Hyde suggests - then it might be possible to find out blood types, etc, but that's about the limit of it.

Cheers,
Adam.

Theres no allegedly about it.

Its not Eddowes shawl.

Monty

[Sister Hyde]

so.. was it really a table cloth Monty? or was it just a fit of corrosive humor?

[Monty]

Ive no idea Sister, however.....

Monty

[Sister Hyde]

well yes, no doubt that it's not hers, it would be surprinsing that the police would have kept a piece of clothes they couldn't have used in anyway (they couldn't think "let's keep it for when they can run better analyses in a century or so")