Did PC Long see the Ripper in Goulston Street?

[steje73]

Hi Steje

Come on, it was the early hours of the morning, hardly the rush hour, PC Smith remembered seeing Stide in Berner Street, surely Long would have remembered seeing someone in Goulston Street at that time.

One things for sure, Long did not mention any sighting at the inquest.

Observer

I just meant that Long might have remembered seeing someone if he knew he had to look for a murderer. There might have been people going to and from work, bakers or whatever, at that time every day and it mightn't have aroused his suspicion if he saw someone. If it was a bit rainy then a huddled figure hurrying along still mightn't have bothered him.
Just making the suggestion.

With due respect to the opinions of Gavin and Monty, if Lawende saw Kate and her killer at the approximate time he and his chums give for seeing them, then there is no way the killer leaves the square before 1:42am.

1:35am- seen by Lawende, Levy and Harris, outside Mitre Square.
1:43-44am -Kate found dead by Watkins, inside the square.

If the killer had only done what was done to Liz, no problem. But that is so far from the reality. Taking into account the roughly two or three minutes to get there, subdue her, and leave, that leaves 5-6 minutes total for all the injuries and the apron cutting. Taking a kidney out through her front, among the other atrocities. In near darkness.

So, the killer was almost certainly there at 1:42, therefore its far more likely that Harvey wasnt, or if he was, he missed seeing a murder in progress.

Cheers all.

[Observer]

Hi Steje

Come on, it was the early hours of the morning, hardly the rush hour, PC Smith remembered seeing Stide in Berner Street, surely Long would have remembered seeing someone in Goulston Street at that time.

One things for sure, Long did not mention any sighting at the inquest.

Observer

[steje73]

It could be, I suppose. Jack knew who he was and would have been looking out for policemen. Long wouldn't necessarily have been aware that there had been a murder yet and wouldn't have been looking for Jack. Anyone Long encountered wouldn't then have given him any cause to recollect them.

[Observer]

Hi

From no bloody piece of apron thread

"Upon Monty's recounting of Gavin Bromelys article on the Eddowes murder, namely that it was possible for Jack to have escaped prior to Harveys trip down Church passage at 1.42am."

Monty theorized that

"Therefore Jack may have left the Square approx 1.41/2am.

The time it takes to get to Goulston Street is roughly 3 to 4 mins at a brisk walk.

Lets say Jack went straight to Goulston St, his arrival would have been approx 1.46am.

Taking Longs beat time of 35 mins, working back from when he says he was certainly in Goulston Street (2.20am), puts Long in the same place at ??"

I replied that the reson why Long did not see the Ripper was down to

"Split second timing, with Long missing the Ripper by seconds."

Monty replied

"What if the Ripper didnt miss Long though?

Just thoughts, nothing more."

So what is Monty saying here? That Long did encounter the Ripper in Goulston Street? Could that be possible?

Observer